Democratic Primaries

Tweedy

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58. Labels

Mon Feb 24, 2020, 07:49 PM

Feb 2020

Pooling the risk to protect all
Can be called insurance
When the government does it, we call it socialism

It is not stealing someone else's work.

That is plutocracy
Kleptocracy
Feudalism

Labels can hang one up. The GOP has been happily playing doublespeak for years. With both hands in the till, this president complains about socialism.

The thieves are already in the White House, friend.

None of the Democratic candidates are proposing theft. Many are proposing saner approaches to basic insurance.

Right now, we socialize the risk (have you seen how much $$$ the federal reserve is pumping into the overnight loan market?) & privatize the profits. That, too, is socialism (that kind IS horrible, yes).

Should we not stop giving already very wealthy folks "free stuff" and design rational investments for our future?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I am not cool with socialism. [View all] boston bean Feb 2020 OP

Makes 2 AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #1

Hmmm... Must be hard to get from place to place using only pay-as-you-go roads. Girard442 Feb 2020 #2

That's not socialism. This is socialism, from the Democratic Socialists of America: pnwmom Feb 2020 #5

"Socialism" is defined as any government program I don't like. Girard442 Feb 2020 #17

Bernie is purposely, pointlessly, branding himself with a brand that millions of Americans abhor. pnwmom Feb 2020 #19

Nope Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #47

He calls himself a Democratic Socialist. That is the site of Democratic Socialists of America, pnwmom Feb 2020 #48

Oooo... the GOP will have so much to work with against Bernie. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #123

the national interstate system was created by democrats and republicans Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #31

A vast major institution was created by using tax revenues, that would be free for all users. Girard442 Feb 2020 #34

I've voted myself increases in taxes every election Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #36

Labels Tweedy Feb 2020 #58

nope, that is not what socialism is Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #59

Ok, then Tweedy Feb 2020 #66

public works...definition Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #68

I know Tweedy Feb 2020 #91

Talking Points Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #3

He should call himself an FDR Democrat then, not a socialist. But he loves the brand pnwmom Feb 2020 #6

Looks like he is stuck in the 1960's, sadly Tweedy Feb 2020 #21

Stuck in the Sixties Skidmore Feb 2020 #29

Thanks for a great post -- down to the last two paragraphs. pnwmom Feb 2020 #39

I Do Not Disagree Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #49

If he gets elected President, fine. But my great fear is he will lose to Trump AND pnwmom Feb 2020 #50

You can literally substitute any candidate's name in that sentence and be as credible. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #93

No, not true. No one else hands the R's the socialist weapon to shoot them with. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #99

"Socialist Weapon"? They called Hillary a Socialist. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #103

Hillary and Bloomberg didn't hand them the weapon by branding themselves as socialists pnwmom Feb 2020 #105

The people that are swayed by this aren't going to vote Democratic anyway. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #109

He had his strength in caucuses last time, and 2/3 of these events were caucuses. pnwmom Feb 2020 #111

How will a stubborn guy work with Congress? Moderateguy Feb 2020 #82

No, sorry joethedrummer Feb 2020 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #15

Why are you trolling? rockfordfile Feb 2020 #16

It kind of feels like a majority on here are trolling the democratic front-runner joethedrummer Feb 2020 #18

It's called vetting in the Primary after 3 states.. Cha Feb 2020 #122

+10000 ehrnst Feb 2020 #134

Welcome to DU. BTW, Hilary won the popular vote and Drumpf won the electoral college rzemanfl Feb 2020 #37

Bernie won the popular vote in IOWA joethedrummer Feb 2020 #75

What's your point? Iowa was about delegates. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #81

What's your point? USA is about delegates joethedrummer Feb 2020 #86

You ignored the part of my reply about cheating and Russia, dude. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #88

Yeah and they are at it again! joethedrummer Feb 2020 #95

That we can agree on, but they used Bernie in 2016 as well. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #98

We will see...n/t joethedrummer Feb 2020 #117

So, are you okay with people in the richest country in the world... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #4

No I am not. And socialism is not the answer. boston bean Feb 2020 #38

There are multipayer solutions for universal healthcare. Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #46

Single-payer solutions deliver greater efficiency at lower cost though. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #57

That's debatable Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #72

Students in Sweden come out of college with an average of $20,000 in debt, in the USA, Blue_true Feb 2020 #61

And meanwhile public universities in Germany are free. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #108

One of the biggest components to college expenses are living expenses. Blue_true Feb 2020 #133

Bernie isn't actually proposing Socialism. OliverQ Feb 2020 #7

Another nope here. we can do it Feb 2020 #8

I do not think that word means what you think it does Tweedy Feb 2020 #10

Very true. Girard442 Feb 2020 #20

😁 Tweedy Feb 2020 #22

+1 5X Feb 2020 #30

Might I suggest you check out the U.S. Tax rates for when the US (to me) was the greatest LiberalArkie Feb 2020 #11

Now we have Vets living on the streets, crumbling infrastructure, and avarice run amok ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #25

We must help the vets, disabled, elderly, homeless, needy children, mentally ill, all the emmaverybo Feb 2020 #35

It used to be that people could declare bankruptcy and include student debt. But the banks were LiberalArkie Feb 2020 #40

Biden's policy would be to expand forgiveness programs to cover a lot more people and discharge emmaverybo Feb 2020 #54

Europe and Asia were rebuilding from war still in the 50s Blue_true Feb 2020 #65

Exactly, the fundamentals of that era are radically different from now. radius777 Feb 2020 #121

You brilliantly summarized what I was trying to point out. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #132

Nor am I. But Bernie is NOT a socialist of any kind... TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #12

Right On Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #52

Sanders himself says he is a Democratic Socialist Moderateguy Feb 2020 #73

what about Nordic Capitalism ? proud patriot Feb 2020 #13

That is a better model than what Bernie is proposing. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #67

it's also a Frame that proud patriot Feb 2020 #97

I agree. Explain it well and let those fools try to attack a successful model. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #100

We need to flip the frame proud patriot Feb 2020 #115

We already spend trillions to kill people booley Feb 2020 #14

I just think that some public services should be "socialized"... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #23

Here's A Bit Of Perspective corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #24

That second graphic isn't Sanders vs. Moderates. it's Socialist vs. Capitalists (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #51

"The outcome of such makes one a slave to the state to make it work." ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #26

Just curious... BigMin28 Feb 2020 #27

Taxation is slavery? Where have I heard that before? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #28

Eventually it is Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #43

You might want to do a little more thinking about that. Thanks to socialism we have police abqtommy Feb 2020 #32

this is a beautiful rorschach test in real time. the behaviorist in me is super geeked :) Kurt V. Feb 2020 #33

People have no idea how much they reveal ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #42

You just said a mouthful! redqueen Feb 2020 #80

Socialism and Democratic Socialism are not the same thing Cousin Dupree Feb 2020 #41

They are. Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #44

"Socialism" by itself, not so bad. Couple it with "revolution", that's oasis Feb 2020 #45

I'm not cool without it. elleng Feb 2020 #53

So you're going to give up your Social Security, stop driving on roads, never call the PD or FD. LonePirate Feb 2020 #55

not a single one of those things was brought to us by socialist Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #60

All of those things are socialism whether or not you want to believe it. LonePirate Feb 2020 #62

no, they are not. Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #70

You need to educate yourself on what is and is not socialism. You seem to not know. LonePirate Feb 2020 #71

Nope. That's not socialism. All capitalist countries have fire fighters, roads etc redstateblues Feb 2020 #96

The grandson of GHW Bush is running this ad attacking socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #56

Hi, boston bean! Can we talk? CTyankee Feb 2020 #63

Bernie Sanders plans will cost over 60 trillion. boston bean Feb 2020 #69

One of the reasons I am supporting Warren over Bernie is that Warren has told us how she plans CTyankee Feb 2020 #78

Is everyone missing the 60 Trillion dollar cost? boston bean Feb 2020 #83

Elizabeth's plan will clear this up for you, as I have said. Please read it and we can have a CTyankee Feb 2020 #87

I am talking about Sanders plans. boston bean Feb 2020 #89

I know but I offered Warren's because I think they will dovetail with his. CTyankee Feb 2020 #92

This is suppose to make one feel better? boston bean Feb 2020 #94

well, no, my point was in response to your concern about socialism... CTyankee Feb 2020 #116

You assume these are new costs. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #104

It is a larger number than our economy. boston bean Feb 2020 #107

I'm going to need a credible link on the 60 trillion. Thanks! nt Gore1FL Feb 2020 #110

You can find a source you feel is reputable by using google. boston bean Feb 2020 #112

I found one and posted a response already. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #114

I found one. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #113

The folks I know who are anti socialism have in common... MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #128

For profit corporate health insurance is controlling people's lives more than single payer would. dgauss Feb 2020 #101

It would help if you defined what you mean by "socialism" Martin Eden Feb 2020 #64

As a veteran DUER I have some thoughts. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #74

I am. So I cancel you out. Politicub Feb 2020 #76

Harry Truman was. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #77

I was hoping that had already been posted :) redqueen Feb 2020 #84

. Laelth Feb 2020 #124

Bernie's Socialism looks a lot like the Democratic party looked before we caved to all things Reagan Gore1FL Feb 2020 #79

Well said! nt redqueen Feb 2020 #85

Hear! Hear! n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #125

me neither but it's they wont get past congress so it's not even a factor AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #90

Interesting thought process Bettie Feb 2020 #102

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #106

I will vote for Sanders if he's the Nominee. Vote trump out rockfordfile Feb 2020 #119

We the People EmeraldCoaster Feb 2020 #118

Okay...it's cool if you're not down with socialism pecosbob Feb 2020 #120

You are totally misunderstanding or deliberately mischaracterizing the plan HelpImSurrounded Feb 2020 #126

I am not against all people having healthcare. boston bean Feb 2020 #127

There are so many forms of socialism Sparkly Feb 2020 #129

I agree. Thanks so much for the well thought out response. boston bean Feb 2020 #130

So you will be declining Social Security benefits, right? MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #131

The problem is it's a loaded word. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #135

A good concise counterpoint I saw to that was... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #136