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lapucelle

(21,141 posts)
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 10:02 PM Feb 2020

No, President Obama did not say the same thing as BS about Cuba. [View all]

BS was talking about what he thinks Castro's revolution brought to Cuba in 1959.

President Obama was talking about the post 2014 strides that Cuba had made as part of the negotiated
pre-conditions for normalizing US-Cuba relations.
Cuba had to meet benchmarks during the gradual process of moving towards normalization.

President Obama made the remarks at a joint press conference in Cuba in March 2016.

US presidential visit

President Obama arrived in Cuba for a three-day visit on March 20, 2016. Obama headed a delegation of between 800 and 1,200, including business people and congressional leaders who had helped in establishing the 2014 normalization deal.

Obama was the first sitting U.S. president to visit Cuba since Calvin Coolidge in 1928. Obama said that he would only visit Cuba if he could meet with Cuban dissidents: "If I go on a visit, then part of the deal is that I get to talk to everybody. I've made it very clear in my conversations directly with President Raúl Castro that we would continue to reach out to those who want to broaden the scope for, you know, free expression inside of Cuba."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_thaw

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David Sirota used an abruptly edited short clip in order mislead people. Here's the context that Sirota failed to provide. It's not the first time


Remarks by President Obama and President Raul Castro of Cuba in a Joint Press Conference

Palace of the Revolution
Havana, Cuba
March 21, 2016

Our growing engagement with Cuba is guided by one overarching goal -- advancing the mutual interests of our two countries, including improving the lives of our people, both Cubans and Americans. That’s why I’m here.

I’ve said consistently, after more than five very difficult decades, the relationship between our governments will not be transformed overnight. We continue, as President Castro indicated, to have some very serious differences, including on democracy and human rights. And President Castro and I have had very frank and candid conversations on these subjects.

The United States recognizes progress that Cuba has made as a nation, its enormous achievements in education and in health care. And perhaps most importantly, I affirmed that Cuba’s destiny will not be decided by the United States or any other nation. Cuba is sovereign and, rightly, has great pride. And the future of Cuba will be decided by Cubans, not by anybody else.

At the same time, as we do wherever we go around the world, I made it clear that the United States will continue to speak up on behalf of democracy, including the right of the Cuban people to decide their own future. We’ll speak out on behalf of universal human rights, including freedom of speech, and assembly, and religion. Indeed, I look forward to meeting with and hearing from Cuban civil society leaders tomorrow.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/03/21/remarks-president-obama-and-president-raul-castro-cuba-joint-press%20

It's disgusting the way Sirota continually tries to play the electorate for a fool and really sad that people keep falling for his dissembling.

David Sirota tending a sick child.




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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"the post 2014 strides that Cuba had made as part of the negotiated pre-conditions for normalizing.. wyldwolf Feb 2020 #1
BS was talking about "results" of Castro's 1959 revolution. lapucelle Feb 2020 #3
sirota knows exactly what he was doing as far as this goes.. Cha Feb 2020 #8
Thank you! mcar Feb 2020 #2
K&R highplainsdem Feb 2020 #4
It's criminal how Sirota keeps getting away with taking people out of context. Drunken Irishman Feb 2020 #5
And people keep faling for it. lapucelle Feb 2020 #10
So they're all lying? NurseJackie Feb 2020 #6
Now why does sirota think he Cha Feb 2020 #7
K&R, Obama praised the baby in the bath water Sanders praised the babies father uponit7771 Feb 2020 #9
Thank you, lapucelle. brer cat Feb 2020 #11
I don't know anyone named BS. nt yaesu Feb 2020 #12
Sirota: another Sanders staffer who thought voting for Jill Stein Hassler Feb 2020 #13
Yeah, shows where his head was at Cha Feb 2020 #15
Davey Sirota lied again. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #14
Thank you for the fact check. It will not make some happy, but facts are facts. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2020 #16
LOL. Yes he did. He praised the healthcare and education system, same as Bernie. DanTex Feb 2020 #17
Sanders praised Castro and his revolution two days ago on national TV. It's a falsehood to say lapucelle Feb 2020 #18
No, he didn't. Bernie praised Castro's education program, same as what Obama did. DanTex Feb 2020 #19
That is the same quote from the same speech. lapucelle Feb 2020 #21
I often ask the same of you in regards to logical fallacies... LanternWaste Feb 2020 #22
... sheshe2 Mar 2020 #44
You are wrong Gothmog Feb 2020 #26
Nope... not the same at all. ehrnst Feb 2020 #28
LOL. The Cuban education and healthcare systems didn't suddenly improve in 2014. DanTex Feb 2020 #29
Um... didn't say that they did. ehrnst Feb 2020 #30
Yeah you did. You made the absurd argument that Obama was complementing DanTex Feb 2020 #31
He was talking about progress made towards an agreement, not an indoctrination ehrnst Feb 2020 #32
Do you ever wonder why Bernie is so far ahead in the polls? DanTex Feb 2020 #33
More frantic attempts at a red herring. ehrnst Feb 2020 #34
LOL. By all means, keep up the same anti-Bernie strategy. DanTex Feb 2020 #35
Yet an even more desperate attempt at a red herring.... ehrnst Feb 2020 #36
Keep it up! You're totally taking Bernie down! It's working! DanTex Feb 2020 #37
The desperation increases... ehrnst Feb 2020 #38
No, Bernie Sanders' Discussion of Cuba's Castro is Nothing Like Obama's Gothmog Feb 2020 #20
Thanks, Goth! Cha Feb 2020 #23
K&R Sloumeau Feb 2020 #24
you can always count on @JoeBiden to defend @BarackObama 's record and legacy. Gothmog Feb 2020 #25
Thank You Me. Feb 2020 #27
Havana gives front-page coverage to Bernie Sanders for praising Fidel Castro Gothmog Feb 2020 #39
K Cha Feb 2020 #40
This makes me smile Gothmog Mar 2020 #41
Wow... lapucelle Mar 2020 #42
Sanders may not get any delegates in Florida Gothmog Mar 2020 #43
Sirota is SCUM NCProgressive Mar 2020 #45
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