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CTyankee

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116. well, no, my point was in response to your concern about socialism...

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 12:26 AM

Feb 2020

and about the cost. The costs to reform our system will be offset by other savings in the plan.
I did want to reassure you that socialism as a form of government need not be as you imagine. Not at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I am not cool with socialism. [View all] boston bean Feb 2020 OP

Makes 2 AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #1

Hmmm... Must be hard to get from place to place using only pay-as-you-go roads. Girard442 Feb 2020 #2

That's not socialism. This is socialism, from the Democratic Socialists of America: pnwmom Feb 2020 #5

"Socialism" is defined as any government program I don't like. Girard442 Feb 2020 #17

Bernie is purposely, pointlessly, branding himself with a brand that millions of Americans abhor. pnwmom Feb 2020 #19

Nope Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #47

He calls himself a Democratic Socialist. That is the site of Democratic Socialists of America, pnwmom Feb 2020 #48

Oooo... the GOP will have so much to work with against Bernie. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #123

the national interstate system was created by democrats and republicans Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #31

A vast major institution was created by using tax revenues, that would be free for all users. Girard442 Feb 2020 #34

I've voted myself increases in taxes every election Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #36

Labels Tweedy Feb 2020 #58

nope, that is not what socialism is Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #59

Ok, then Tweedy Feb 2020 #66

public works...definition Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #68

I know Tweedy Feb 2020 #91

Talking Points Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #3

He should call himself an FDR Democrat then, not a socialist. But he loves the brand pnwmom Feb 2020 #6

Looks like he is stuck in the 1960's, sadly Tweedy Feb 2020 #21

Stuck in the Sixties Skidmore Feb 2020 #29

Thanks for a great post -- down to the last two paragraphs. pnwmom Feb 2020 #39

I Do Not Disagree Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #49

If he gets elected President, fine. But my great fear is he will lose to Trump AND pnwmom Feb 2020 #50

You can literally substitute any candidate's name in that sentence and be as credible. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #93

No, not true. No one else hands the R's the socialist weapon to shoot them with. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #99

"Socialist Weapon"? They called Hillary a Socialist. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #103

Hillary and Bloomberg didn't hand them the weapon by branding themselves as socialists pnwmom Feb 2020 #105

The people that are swayed by this aren't going to vote Democratic anyway. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #109

He had his strength in caucuses last time, and 2/3 of these events were caucuses. pnwmom Feb 2020 #111

How will a stubborn guy work with Congress? Moderateguy Feb 2020 #82

No, sorry joethedrummer Feb 2020 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #15

Why are you trolling? rockfordfile Feb 2020 #16

It kind of feels like a majority on here are trolling the democratic front-runner joethedrummer Feb 2020 #18

It's called vetting in the Primary after 3 states.. Cha Feb 2020 #122

+10000 ehrnst Feb 2020 #134

Welcome to DU. BTW, Hilary won the popular vote and Drumpf won the electoral college rzemanfl Feb 2020 #37

Bernie won the popular vote in IOWA joethedrummer Feb 2020 #75

What's your point? Iowa was about delegates. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #81

What's your point? USA is about delegates joethedrummer Feb 2020 #86

You ignored the part of my reply about cheating and Russia, dude. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #88

Yeah and they are at it again! joethedrummer Feb 2020 #95

That we can agree on, but they used Bernie in 2016 as well. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #98

We will see...n/t joethedrummer Feb 2020 #117

So, are you okay with people in the richest country in the world... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #4

No I am not. And socialism is not the answer. boston bean Feb 2020 #38

There are multipayer solutions for universal healthcare. Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #46

Single-payer solutions deliver greater efficiency at lower cost though. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #57

That's debatable Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #72

Students in Sweden come out of college with an average of $20,000 in debt, in the USA, Blue_true Feb 2020 #61

And meanwhile public universities in Germany are free. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #108

One of the biggest components to college expenses are living expenses. Blue_true Feb 2020 #133

Bernie isn't actually proposing Socialism. OliverQ Feb 2020 #7

Another nope here. we can do it Feb 2020 #8

I do not think that word means what you think it does Tweedy Feb 2020 #10

Very true. Girard442 Feb 2020 #20

😁 Tweedy Feb 2020 #22

+1 5X Feb 2020 #30

Might I suggest you check out the U.S. Tax rates for when the US (to me) was the greatest LiberalArkie Feb 2020 #11

Now we have Vets living on the streets, crumbling infrastructure, and avarice run amok ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #25

We must help the vets, disabled, elderly, homeless, needy children, mentally ill, all the emmaverybo Feb 2020 #35

It used to be that people could declare bankruptcy and include student debt. But the banks were LiberalArkie Feb 2020 #40

Biden's policy would be to expand forgiveness programs to cover a lot more people and discharge emmaverybo Feb 2020 #54

Europe and Asia were rebuilding from war still in the 50s Blue_true Feb 2020 #65

Exactly, the fundamentals of that era are radically different from now. radius777 Feb 2020 #121

You brilliantly summarized what I was trying to point out. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #132

Nor am I. But Bernie is NOT a socialist of any kind... TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #12

Right On Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #52

Sanders himself says he is a Democratic Socialist Moderateguy Feb 2020 #73

what about Nordic Capitalism ? proud patriot Feb 2020 #13

That is a better model than what Bernie is proposing. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #67

it's also a Frame that proud patriot Feb 2020 #97

I agree. Explain it well and let those fools try to attack a successful model. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #100

We need to flip the frame proud patriot Feb 2020 #115

We already spend trillions to kill people booley Feb 2020 #14

I just think that some public services should be "socialized"... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #23

Here's A Bit Of Perspective corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #24

That second graphic isn't Sanders vs. Moderates. it's Socialist vs. Capitalists (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #51

"The outcome of such makes one a slave to the state to make it work." ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #26

Just curious... BigMin28 Feb 2020 #27

Taxation is slavery? Where have I heard that before? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #28

Eventually it is Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #43

You might want to do a little more thinking about that. Thanks to socialism we have police abqtommy Feb 2020 #32

this is a beautiful rorschach test in real time. the behaviorist in me is super geeked :) Kurt V. Feb 2020 #33

People have no idea how much they reveal ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #42

You just said a mouthful! redqueen Feb 2020 #80

Socialism and Democratic Socialism are not the same thing Cousin Dupree Feb 2020 #41

They are. Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #44

"Socialism" by itself, not so bad. Couple it with "revolution", that's oasis Feb 2020 #45

I'm not cool without it. elleng Feb 2020 #53

So you're going to give up your Social Security, stop driving on roads, never call the PD or FD. LonePirate Feb 2020 #55

not a single one of those things was brought to us by socialist Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #60

All of those things are socialism whether or not you want to believe it. LonePirate Feb 2020 #62

no, they are not. Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #70

You need to educate yourself on what is and is not socialism. You seem to not know. LonePirate Feb 2020 #71

Nope. That's not socialism. All capitalist countries have fire fighters, roads etc redstateblues Feb 2020 #96

The grandson of GHW Bush is running this ad attacking socialism Gothmog Feb 2020 #56

Hi, boston bean! Can we talk? CTyankee Feb 2020 #63

Bernie Sanders plans will cost over 60 trillion. boston bean Feb 2020 #69

One of the reasons I am supporting Warren over Bernie is that Warren has told us how she plans CTyankee Feb 2020 #78

Is everyone missing the 60 Trillion dollar cost? boston bean Feb 2020 #83

Elizabeth's plan will clear this up for you, as I have said. Please read it and we can have a CTyankee Feb 2020 #87

I am talking about Sanders plans. boston bean Feb 2020 #89

I know but I offered Warren's because I think they will dovetail with his. CTyankee Feb 2020 #92

This is suppose to make one feel better? boston bean Feb 2020 #94

well, no, my point was in response to your concern about socialism... CTyankee Feb 2020 #116

You assume these are new costs. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #104

It is a larger number than our economy. boston bean Feb 2020 #107

I'm going to need a credible link on the 60 trillion. Thanks! nt Gore1FL Feb 2020 #110

You can find a source you feel is reputable by using google. boston bean Feb 2020 #112

I found one and posted a response already. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #114

I found one. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #113

The folks I know who are anti socialism have in common... MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #128

For profit corporate health insurance is controlling people's lives more than single payer would. dgauss Feb 2020 #101

It would help if you defined what you mean by "socialism" Martin Eden Feb 2020 #64

As a veteran DUER I have some thoughts. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #74

I am. So I cancel you out. Politicub Feb 2020 #76

Harry Truman was. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #77

I was hoping that had already been posted :) redqueen Feb 2020 #84

. Laelth Feb 2020 #124

Bernie's Socialism looks a lot like the Democratic party looked before we caved to all things Reagan Gore1FL Feb 2020 #79

Well said! nt redqueen Feb 2020 #85

Hear! Hear! n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #125

me neither but it's they wont get past congress so it's not even a factor AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #90

Interesting thought process Bettie Feb 2020 #102

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #106

I will vote for Sanders if he's the Nominee. Vote trump out rockfordfile Feb 2020 #119

We the People EmeraldCoaster Feb 2020 #118

Okay...it's cool if you're not down with socialism pecosbob Feb 2020 #120

You are totally misunderstanding or deliberately mischaracterizing the plan HelpImSurrounded Feb 2020 #126

I am not against all people having healthcare. boston bean Feb 2020 #127

There are so many forms of socialism Sparkly Feb 2020 #129

I agree. Thanks so much for the well thought out response. boston bean Feb 2020 #130

So you will be declining Social Security benefits, right? MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #131

The problem is it's a loaded word. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2020 #135

A good concise counterpoint I saw to that was... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #136