Democratic Primaries

Buzz cook

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173. #Notalloldwhitemen.

Sun Apr 7, 2019, 12:50 AM

Apr 2019

That's what I hear in the OP even though I'm sure that isn't his intent.

Certainly many old white men are qualified and able to do the job of president. Many old white men are as liberal/progressive as any other demographic.
But those politicians and influential people that have fucked the country and its citizens are almost exclusively old white men or servants of old white men.

But it doesn't stop there. Most of the politicians and people of influence who have acquiesced or turned a blind eye to the fuckery are old white men or servants of old white men.

So saying Biden isn't like other old white men is missing the point in the same way the all lives matter misses the point of black lives matter or #notallmen misses the point of female outrage.

But even without the fuckery or acquiescence old white men with power stand in privilege. Even the best of us (I am also an old white man) have problems seeing beyond that privilege.
Biden is no exception to this as the last weeks and his stilted apologia have shown..

Biden has a long history of championing good causes. He also has a history of tone deaf policy proposals and actions that fit the fuckery or at least the acquiescence side of the scale.

Here Sam Seder discusses Biden's failures in an entertaining manner.

I'll post some other links with two disclaimers. 1. I understand that some sources are too liberal for some here on DU who support Biden and if that's the case with my links I urge readers to do their own googles. 2. Even though I do not support Biden now, if he wins the nomination or gets enough delegates before the convention, I will actively support him, donate to his campaign and vote for him.

Google Biden and School Busing.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/joe-biden-integration-school-busing-120968

Google Biden voted with Reagan
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/politics/biden-abortion-rights.html

Google grand bargain biden cutting social security benefits.

Google Biden Bankruptcy
https://www.salon.com/2015/10/21/joe_bidens_greatest_betrayal_the_one_senate_vote_that_makes_it_hard_to_support_a_biden_run/

Google Biden stopped testimony from women in thomas hearing
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/joe-biden-anita-hill-testimony-non-apology.html

I won't comment on Seder's show or the links, because I'm apparently an untrustworthy leftist because I post stuff like this about Bide.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Please tell me why I shouldn't be offended. [View all] louis c Apr 2019 OP

I see no difference. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #1

I guess you/we have the 'right' to be offended, elleng Apr 2019 #2

My thought until I thought. Maybe we should make those inclined Hortensis Apr 2019 #110

Especially since Joe is the most qualified both nationally and globally. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #3

I don't think being a former Vice President makes him more qualified pnwmom Apr 2019 #29

Have to agree. plimsoll Apr 2019 #50

He's the most qualified. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #51

From a pure logic perspective. plimsoll Apr 2019 #54

I surely can defend my position. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #67

Good bye. plimsoll Apr 2019 #70

The man was in the Senate longer paleotn Apr 2019 #157

He's qualified no doubt. plimsoll Apr 2019 #165

The world didn't know it would want Obama till he become President. pnwmom Apr 2019 #57

Who said anyone isn't falling in love with the other candidates LakeArenal Apr 2019 #68

I like Inslee. I don't think he has a chance to win. I wouldn't send him money. redstateblues Apr 2019 #79

I'll admit to some parochial attachment. plimsoll Apr 2019 #113

Wow, Inslee as head of the Environmental Protection Agency - yes, he would be great at that! FM123 Apr 2019 #126

I partly disagree. I do think Inslee can win. Qutzupalotl Apr 2019 #141

Between Inslee and Biden? No question... Inslee is more qualified and has no baggage. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #52

Hey Bernie-Tax returns please. Stop playing the "run out the clock" strategy that has worked for redstateblues Apr 2019 #78

His connections on the international scale. GemDigger Apr 2019 #71

Neither Obama nor Biden had those connections before Obama's Presidency pnwmom Apr 2019 #72

We weren't in turmoil then. We are now. Joe already KNOWS them. GemDigger Apr 2019 #73

Yes, we WERE in turmoil in 2008. We were on the edge of a second worldwide Great Depression. pnwmom Apr 2019 #75

I am not talking the stuff of 2008 I am talking the specific damage tump has done between GemDigger Apr 2019 #84

Biden is NOT the only Democrat the world would welcome. We have several pnwmom Apr 2019 #88

I cannot explain myself any better. GemDigger Apr 2019 #89

What we were not in 2008 was close to the possibility of a nutjob getting us into WW III GemDigger Apr 2019 #85

Obama didn't have foreign connections, but Biden did. nsd Apr 2019 #169

Obama picked Biden to balance the ticket and to get the all-important white-male voters pnwmom Apr 2019 #170

How do you know that? nsd Apr 2019 #172

Because Hillary doesn't engage in inappropriate nuzzling with foreign leaders, for one thing. pnwmom Apr 2019 #174

+1. He's ahead nationally. If we fall into trump trap, shame on us. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #33

He's just got more name recognition, and reflected glory from Obama. pnwmom Apr 2019 #76

May be. It's all about the numbers. Trump approval Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #83

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #4

Been married snowybirdie Apr 2019 #5

I have one of those at home too Peacetrain Apr 2019 #48

I'm not so much offended as irritated at the ageism. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6

I agree with you completely, TVO. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #12

You have Skidmore Apr 2019 #23

Love you, Skidmore. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #40

I agree with these two posts blm Apr 2019 #31

you should be... handmade34 Apr 2019 #7

There's a different but you are right to be offended. rogue emissary Apr 2019 #8

As a Democrat, I supported a black guy and a woman in the last 3 elections... louis c Apr 2019 #11

and how many "old white men" have you voted for? rogue emissary Apr 2019 #13

Let's see... louis c Apr 2019 #131

I keep having to say this, I agree it's wrong to rule him out on race, age or gender. rogue emissary Apr 2019 #205

no, not in the Democratic primary... louis c Apr 2019 #206

Not a leader BurntPickle Apr 2019 #9

Well, experience matters... louis c Apr 2019 #10

Yes, especially now. Butterflylady Apr 2019 #42

"Anti-integration?" How so? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #179

Here's the Buddhist perspective on why you shouldn't be offended vlyons Apr 2019 #14

First Nations in North America cast that as "Feed the good wolf". Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #20

It is so fitting to be called "First Nations" peacebuzzard Apr 2019 #151

Thanks. Want to read over and over again. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #74

Nice post eom peacebuzzard Apr 2019 #150

Well done. n/t demmiblue Apr 2019 #204

I'm a but offended too, but ... Odoreida Apr 2019 #15

are you trying to say "all lives matter"? unblock Apr 2019 #16

I'm a 68 year old white guy. Turbineguy Apr 2019 #17

The ageism on DU amazes me. Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #18

No two prejudices are alike, each has it's own parameters. marylandblue Apr 2019 #38

It's easier to be prejudiced against groups who are seen as powerful Clash City Rocker Apr 2019 #59

I'm sick and tired of RepubliCON white guys running for President. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #19

I'm Older Than You and I Think Both Biden and Sanders Are WAY too Old DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #21

I'm, also, older then the OP and will vote for whomever has the D. Tikki Apr 2019 #25

Old people are more likely to die, suddenly. warmfeet Apr 2019 #22

Not just that, but decline can be sudden. And swift. Demit Apr 2019 #135

I see it too. Ageism is destructive.If I were to choose Biden it would be because of his experience. 58Sunliner Apr 2019 #24

It's not that he's old wsbradshaw Apr 2019 #26

You're welcome to be offended...and I don't care if you are. brooklynite Apr 2019 #27

Looking for "Different" Roy Rolling Apr 2019 #94

Kind of rude. And odd since you are supporting an old white man Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #140

Hickenlooper is 67 brooklynite Apr 2019 #167

You have a limited perspective. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #181

I like Biden. He's my third favorite, after Beto first and Mayor Pete second. ananda Apr 2019 #28

I'm in my early 60's and sellitman Apr 2019 #30

I'm offended so I can't tell you not to be. Progressive dog Apr 2019 #32

Agree... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #34

another old (68) white woman pamdb Apr 2019 #35

Yet Konrad Adenauer built the future of modern Germany as the oldest delisen Apr 2019 #96

A little older than you and I safeinOhio Apr 2019 #36

Have to say - he's growing on me. dhol82 Apr 2019 #37

I don't blame you. The reality is whoever gets the nomination, we need to back them. Evolve Dammit Apr 2019 #39

Ronald Reagan was our oldest President, at 69, and many of us remember pnwmom Apr 2019 #41

Alzheeimers is just one of a massive constellation loyalsister Apr 2019 #90

I'll tell you why you shouldn't be offended (maybe?). moreland01 Apr 2019 #43

I think some folks are just venting when they say stuff like that. But I get what you are saying. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #44

That's the kind of false equivalence that one finds in alt-right forums Tarc Apr 2019 #47

It's not a false equivalence. It does not sound nice to say I'm not voting for an old white guy UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #49

"Just as it wouldn't be right to say" Tarc Apr 2019 #102

As a woman who's been a lifelong Democrat, I think you have every right to be offended. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #45

just so long as we can beat prima donnie. i only want somebody who can speak to the morons who went pansypoo53219 Apr 2019 #46

You don't vote for someone because you don't agree on the issues, fine, but because of age, that is still_one Apr 2019 #53

What about nominating Carter? He's eligible. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #55

Here's the facts louis c Apr 2019 #106

No, YOUR reasoning is for "losers". maxsolomon Apr 2019 #197

Obama was elected because the Rpublican Economy melted down louis c Apr 2019 #201

Good point. Gotta add: Diversity *includes* old white guys, too. n/t Beartracks Apr 2019 #56

We currently have an old white guy as President. Are you happy? TeamPooka Apr 2019 #58

Simplistic bullshit. Inkfreak Apr 2019 #99

Let's see if we can win an election for President by insulting and dismissing... louis c Apr 2019 #104

So all old white guys are Trump in your world? SMC22307 Apr 2019 #118

Biden is ... 76 CloudWatcher Apr 2019 #60

I don't think he wants 8 years. He didn't even say he wants 4 years yet. GemDigger Apr 2019 #82

Welcome to Team Sanders Lordquinton Apr 2019 #61

I'm also an old white guy and solid Democrat SCantiGOP Apr 2019 #62

As another old white guy I choose to NOT be offended and see a deeper meaning. bitterross Apr 2019 #63

Take look at pictures of Congress even during the Obama administration: thats why ... marble falls Apr 2019 #64

Please do not forget that Congress is stuffed to the gills with millionaires too... Moostache Apr 2019 #203

Or lawyers, dentists and insurance agents - what I read some time ago make up the ... marble falls Apr 2019 #207

AMEN! Moostache Apr 2019 #208

99% of DUers think Nancy's the greatest leader for Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #65

Thank You for the Reminder! aka-chmeee Apr 2019 #130

I worked for and voted for Sen Shelby and then the Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #137

You are correct sir BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #66

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #69

I hope all of us will be more careful and polite when discussing these things. ecstatic Apr 2019 #77

I feel like under almost any other circumstance, as an old white guy, hughee99 Apr 2019 #80

Hmmmmmm...... Socal31 Apr 2019 #95

It's not contradictory at all. hughee99 Apr 2019 #139

I wouldn't tell you not to be offended. David__77 Apr 2019 #81

Biden / Harris world wide wally Apr 2019 #86

I think a lot of people who use those words "old white guy" bernie59 Apr 2019 #87

Biden is a bit old for me. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #91

I think throwing away the advantage of incumbency is lunacy. Demit Apr 2019 #136

I think the plan is to promote the VP. So 3 terms Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #189

I know. But a VP getting elected is a higher hurdle than a Prez getting reelected. Demit Apr 2019 #191

Good points. It's not ideal. But, I can envision it Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #192

Well, you're talking about the campaign, but keep in mind the four years that come after. Demit Apr 2019 #195

Well, hope he doesn't strategize too much more..there Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #196

I totally agree with you, Louis. I'm an older white woman. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #92

NAIL ON THE HEAD stevesinpa Apr 2019 #93

Maybe because no 'old' Democrat has kicked the Republicans out of the Whitehouse crazytown Apr 2019 #97

Are you talking about Woodrow Wilson? Wednesdays Apr 2019 #144

Yes! Cleveland first time round 47 crazytown Apr 2019 #164

There is no difference. It's bigotry. Inkfreak Apr 2019 #98

Ok, you should not be offended, because you are not yet "old". JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #100

Amen Gothmog Apr 2019 #101

Because it's the same disingenuous offense Republicans oft use. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #103

Your reasoning will make us lose louis c Apr 2019 #109

I would like a candidate who can reasonably be expected to be Pres for 8 years - not a 4 yr seaglass Apr 2019 #105

How about we just beat Trump and worry about all the other bullshit later. louis c Apr 2019 #108

Well if that isn't the dumbest question I have ever been asked. YOU may be convinced that Biden seaglass Apr 2019 #111

Here's what's dumb... louis c Apr 2019 #134

No need to get nasty. You can believe polls won't change from now to the election if seaglass Apr 2019 #145

Here's what I'm sure of... louis c Apr 2019 #163

Wow, you are just full of unnecessary advice. First, I am from MA so you don't need to school me seaglass Apr 2019 #166

I am very chilled... louis c Apr 2019 #175

So your argument is... BoB? Lancero Apr 2019 #112

I can't. I have no problem with old(er) white men for prez - Inslee 2020 K & R nt Persondem Apr 2019 #107

Because not having a female President qazplm135 Apr 2019 #114

It's not that simple for a job like president IluvPitties Apr 2019 #115

Fuck that qazplm135 Apr 2019 #116

Whoever people on our side think is the best IluvPitties Apr 2019 #120

It's disqualified women qazplm135 Apr 2019 #122

I like all of our candidates, including Harris. IluvPitties Apr 2019 #124

Not about liking qazplm135 Apr 2019 #127

Ridiculous. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #119

So you have a time travel device qazplm135 Apr 2019 #121

I do my research and vote for who I think the best candidate is. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #143

what's news to me qazplm135 Apr 2019 #146

OK, no guys period. What matters most is electing a woman, got it. So consider this hypothetical: Still In Wisconsin Apr 2019 #159

The "old" part is definitely offensive. McCamy Taylor Apr 2019 #117

You sound like my Uncle. OhZone Apr 2019 #123

This old white woman agrees. NellieStarbuck Apr 2019 #125

I can honestly tell you - cab67 Apr 2019 #128

that's bullshit....whomever is saying this against Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #129

Why Does It Matter So Much to You? yellowwoodII Apr 2019 #132

Are you living under a rock? louis c Apr 2019 #133

It's a thought ending bias and divisive. Aaron Pereira Apr 2019 #138

I hear you. I'm an older white guy too. PatrickforO Apr 2019 #142

Ironic then that the younger generations have and still overwhelmingly support the oldest candidate Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #147

Maybe Sanders inoculated himself by being out of sync with the other old white guys? marylandblue Apr 2019 #155

I believe you are correct marylandblue. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #156

+1000! Wow. Kind of Blue Apr 2019 #152

I like Pete as well and believe him to be an excellent candidate. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #153

Hell, go on and be offended PDittie Apr 2019 #148

Nobody here is not going to vote for the nominee, regardless of that person's race or age. Kaleva Apr 2019 #149

But, it's how we talk to swing voters... louis c Apr 2019 #161

I came of age to vote in 1991 JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #154

Really? WestCoastDem42 Apr 2019 #158

Great strategy.... louis c Apr 2019 #160

Nothing wrong with a white male and/or a woman or POC on the ticket. brush Apr 2019 #162

There is no difference madville Apr 2019 #168

I'm not white and I'm offended by the argument that white guys must be excluded. nsd Apr 2019 #171

#Notalloldwhitemen. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #173

Check you mail box... louis c Apr 2019 #176

And I tried so hard not to upset you Buzz cook Apr 2019 #182

There is only one issue in this election and it's winning. louis c Apr 2019 #183

In general I agree with you sentiment. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #184

FDR and Obama elections had something in common... louis c Apr 2019 #185

The poll at the top of my screen has Harris over Biden by 2 points. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #199

The poll everywhere esle has Biden ahead of Harris by about 20 points louis c Apr 2019 #200

You should NOT be offended. Chemisse Apr 2019 #177

youthful vigor is overcome by age and wisdom, we are about the same age and I kinda chuckle beachbum bob Apr 2019 #178

You see, I was brought up in a political age and I learned the hard way... louis c Apr 2019 #180

Maybe the Democratic base wants someone more like themselves this time... SidDithers Apr 2019 #186

Base voters don't win elections on either side... louis c Apr 2019 #187

The middle 10% will only vote for an old white guy?... SidDithers Apr 2019 #188

No. they will not vote for Sanders and the rtest are relativley unknown to this 10%... louis c Apr 2019 #193

Democrats beating Democrats does not create a mojority... louis c Apr 2019 #194

If you are truly "old," (e.g., as old as Biden will be), then you know ... LAS14 Apr 2019 #190

If you don't see a problem with the fact that we haven't had a woman president after 58 elections, athena Apr 2019 #198

I see now, if the orange man win in '20, l'll know who to blame. demosincebirth Apr 2019 #202