Democratic Primaries

The Velveteen Ocelot

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25. There can always be an October Surprise.

Sun Apr 7, 2019, 11:22 AM

Apr 2019

But the thing about surprises is that because they are surprises there's no way to prepare for them. So you have to manage the things you can control in a way that ensures that the surprise won't derail you completely. I think one of the problems with 2016 is that nobody, including the pollsters, really thought Trump would win, so the damage being done by the Russian trolls was either not recognized or not taken seriously (and Hillary really should have campaigned hard in Wisconsin, PA and Michigan), so when the Comey letter came out it was just enough to do the damage it did. It probably wouldn't have been enough but for some of those other factors. You always have to campaign like you're behind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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How do you think Hillary would do against Trump in 2020? [View all] C Moon Apr 2019 OP

"Hillary isn't pure enough in 1, 2, 3........ leftofcool Apr 2019 #1

And, god save Cha Apr 2019 #3

She isn't running so there's no real reason to wonder. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #2

Are you sure there won't be some version of the Comey letter, or the July press conference? StevieM Apr 2019 #4

+1 always anticipate an october surprise from these characters. rampartc Apr 2019 #18

There can always be an October Surprise. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #25

Hillary did campaign hard until the very end. StevieM Apr 2019 #28

It's water under the bridge now, of course, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #29

You do realize that part of what HRC was criticized for was essentially embracing that strategy. StevieM Apr 2019 #37

If she had a ground game in MN I sure didn't see it, and I actually went looking for it. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #38

She would lose by a bigger margin AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #5

Why do you think so? I'm intrigued by your assessment. n/t susanna Apr 2019 #7

her favourable ratings have hit an all-time low in the most recent Gallup data I could find, Celerity Apr 2019 #21

Lose by a bigger margin? So her popular vote win would be even more SFnomad Apr 2019 #34

popular vote is irrelevant in prez elections AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #35

So what? It may be "irrelevant", but is shows the "winner" doesn't have any type of mandate n/t SFnomad Apr 2019 #36

I'm willing to speculate ... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #6

These are my thoughts as well. n/t susanna Apr 2019 #8

I dunno. I think hate of her, specifically, is still huge. bitterross Apr 2019 #9

Amazing she got 66 Million Cha Apr 2019 #10

I love Hillary, but I'm not putting my head in the sand. bitterross Apr 2019 #11

Yeah, she still got 66 Million Votes in Cha Apr 2019 #12

I'm neither disputing, nor diminishing that fact. bitterross Apr 2019 #14

I know.. sorry if I Cha Apr 2019 #15

I feel certain we want the same things. bitterross Apr 2019 #16

I like your post. c-rational Apr 2019 #22

'that demographic' is pretty diverse. floppyboo Apr 2019 #33

I was thinking of the older white women who voted for Trump bitterross Apr 2019 #39

got it. big group. college educated 50+ esp. voted for 45 :( floppyboo Apr 2019 #40

Thanks Nance.. for the reality check. Cha Apr 2019 #13

+1. dalton99a Apr 2019 #24

She'd win in the numbers the earlier 2016 polls indicated, Hortensis Apr 2019 #17

Hillary isn't running. It is a pity any candidates from 16 is running. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #19

I suspect she would lose FBaggins Apr 2019 #20

Unfortunately, it will be a repeat of 2016 if HRC decides to run. Dazbog Apr 2019 #23

Whoever gets our nomination will face the same pandr32 Apr 2019 #32

She has suffered enuf Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #26

Time to move on and respect HRC as she now ... a former 1st lady and presidential contender, SWBTATTReg Apr 2019 #27

Of course she would still win the popular vote. I mean it was close in those 3 states. I want to UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #30

Hillary, one of our best candidates EVER BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #31