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NurseJackie

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21. No he didn't.
Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:27 AM
Feb 2020



medium.com/@carlosmvizcarra/no-bernie-sanders-discussion-of-cuba-s-castro-is-nothing-like-obama-s-ab2a1621aa00

Eric Levitz in New York Magazine on Monday makes the case that Bernie Sanders’ 1985 interview admiring some aspects of Fidel Castro’s regime in Cuba was roughly the same as Barack Obama’s 2016 discussion of Castro. This is in large part just an amplification of ideas flying around Twitter this week, as in the tweet pictured above. A quick look at Sanders’ and Obama’s statements shows why this analysis is entirely incorrect.

In 2016, Obama was addressing hundreds of young business and social entrepreneurs from across Latin America in Buenos Aires, Argentina. If you read the transcript of his talk, you see immediately that Obama, in his signature style, was reinforcing the message of pragmatism and evidence-based decision making — as he puts it “be[ing] practical and just choos[ing] from what works.” He was in fact arguing against ideology, at a time when he must have been watching the destabilizing effects the surge in ideological politics was causing not just in the United States but in other countries long considered staid and practical.

In discussing Cuba, Obama relayed direct conversations he had with the Castros, insight into the diplomacy of highlighting policy areas where there might be more agreement in order to create common ground with space to push for change in other areas. I doubt many would think it rational to approach a nascent foreign relationship with a guns blazing, take no prisoners attitude, especially when any agreement depended on the other country’s support. Obama was relaying one relatively high stakes conversation with foreign leaders to another unaligned audience in a foreign venue. I expect it does not take an expert in international relations to see the U.S. interest in pitching this information a certain way for both of these audiences.

In contrast, Bernie Sanders’ 1985 interview was not conducted for foreign consumption or to support U.S. national interests, and it did not come at a time of opening up in the U.S.-Cuba relationship. Instead, it was given for a local public access TV show. It was effectively a vanity project giving Sanders a platform to expound his views of politics and the world. Because of this, the messaging here is all Sanders. Further contrasting Obama, it was rooted in ideology, with Sanders opening, “As a socialist, the word socialism doesn’t frighten me,” before launching into his discussion of self-described socialist regimes. While you could argue the interview might not be a perfect snapshot of today’s presidential candidate’s innermost thoughts, it was a clear statement of what Sanders believed at the time and unfiltered by the degree of drafting and review Obama’s messaging on this topic would have undergone....

From this brief look, we can see that Obama’s talk involved a little flattery, a little spin, and a good deal of appealing to an audience that he saw as future leaders. In contrast, Sanders’ words were simply praise without an intentional objective towards a defined audience. Conflating these two discussions is flimsy, misleading, and indicative of the pro-regime propaganda captured in Sanders’ own sentiment.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Truth-isms about relationships - macro to micro. Bernie is correct Hestia Feb 2020 #1
Nazi Germany was not all bad. denem Feb 2020 #19
Did someone tell her Obama said the same thing? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #2
When? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #4
NO.. because he DIDN'T Cha Feb 2020 #10
Actually, no he didn't. ehrnst Feb 2020 #23
Cue the "what about Obama?" talking point. nt LexVegas Feb 2020 #3
It's a pretty solid point. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #7
It Didn't Happen.. so there's NO "point" Cha Feb 2020 #11
Nope. Obama was talking about something very different ehrnst Feb 2020 #24
Yeah, as you can see.. Only "President Obama was talking about post 2014 strides" Cha Feb 2020 #13
6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America NoDakLinda Feb 2020 #5
How about sticking to the topic at hand? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #6
No.. President Obama is Not gping to save BS.. Cha Feb 2020 #14
ummm lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #26
Oh Whoopi melman Feb 2020 #8
Bernie seems to be an expert at turning Dems into hypocrites Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #9
ha ha KayF Feb 2020 #20
Sorry, I don't respect Whoopi's opinion, never have Beringia Feb 2020 #12
I don't respect david sirota's Cha Feb 2020 #15
The whole controversy is laughable budkin Feb 2020 #16
Poor Bernie. betsuni Feb 2020 #17
she should have gone off on Obama KayF Feb 2020 #18
No he didn't. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #21
No, President Obama did not say the same thing as BS about Cuba. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #22
No.. President Obama Did NOT "say the same" Cha Feb 2020 #25
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