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ancianita

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67. I didn't say "it's so great." I SAID it's not BAD. Look up the history of Guantanamo. It will show

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 05:42 PM

Feb 2020

you that we threatened Castro to keep it. It was originally a ship coaling station among thousands all over the world once used for global shipping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base

It was established in 1898, when the United States took control of Cuba from Spain following the Spanish–American War. ... The United States used Guantanamo Bay as a processing center for asylum-seekers and as a camp for HIV-positive refugees in the 1990s.

Jill Lepore explains Guantanamo as never having been part of either the U.S. or Cuba. "Guantanamo one of the known world's last no-man's lands." Bush administration lawyer John Yoo called it the "legal equivalent of outer space." (from These Truths -- a History of the United States (2018), p. 746)

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Cuba Has Not Been A Bad Neighbor Or a Threat To the US -- Ever. There Is No Cuban Taint. [View all] ancianita Feb 2020 OP

Shoot, I'm tempted to lie to you just for the sake of a free trip. PETRUS Feb 2020 #1

Do it. I'll happily pay. That's how wrong this whole wall of propaganda about Cuba has been. ancianita Feb 2020 #4

Something else about Cuba... PETRUS Feb 2020 #23

Thank you. I'm not surprised by this at all. ancianita Feb 2020 #27

Thanks for posting this. zentrum Feb 2020 #70

I was also reminded of "Godfather III. maddiemom Feb 2020 #109

Oh right---Good reminder. zentrum Feb 2020 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #2

Know why? Because they're right wing pro-Batista descendents. And so are a lot of their kids, still. ancianita Feb 2020 #5

That may be true and deplorable, but it does wnylib Feb 2020 #131

Great post w/ good points for discussing. Note that FL Dems now out-register GOP. That's something. ancianita Feb 2020 #135

Florida Dems outnumber Republicans wnylib Feb 2020 #188

I hear you. I know FL's voting habits since John the Pirate Roberts helped overturn the FL Supreme ancianita Feb 2020 #189

Maybe at first Tweedy Feb 2020 #193

THANK YOU! redqueen Feb 2020 #3

Except just that one time when they let the Russians bring their missiles to Cuba to attack the US MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #6

somehow that keeps getting pushed back Peacetrain Feb 2020 #7

Guess we should hold that against them forever, eh? ancianita Feb 2020 #9

Your assertion: "Or a Threat To the US -- Ever" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #11

You mistake the threat.JFK didn't negotiate with Castro.He negotiated with the real threat, RUSSIA. ancianita Feb 2020 #15

Regardless, Cuba allowed their property to be used as a launch pad. This did pose a threat 33taw Feb 2020 #66

Wrong. They did it because OUR SANCTIONS gave them no trade choices for energy. ancianita Feb 2020 #72

Thank you for you thoughts. Don't tell me to knock it it off. It is rude. 33taw Feb 2020 #84

Your "opinion" is "regardless," and so parrot establishment propaganda. This is a place for ancianita Feb 2020 #89

Yikes, aren't you full of yourself. 33taw Feb 2020 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #106

Is that all I presented? Wow. I better add a lot more in the op. Maybe add photos of both trips. ancianita Feb 2020 #110

Cuba is not a threat. 33taw Feb 2020 #123

That's historicaly delusional.....not even close to true. AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #150

What several sources? How is it delusional, or making up crap, again? ancianita Feb 2020 #166

USSR....for ONE. Hitler invaded USSR partly for the Oil, you know that right? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #171

Castro wasn't around for the Hitler attack, so what's the Russian parallel to Cuba, again? ancianita Feb 2020 #174

It doesnt matter. Eko Feb 2020 #167

It does matter. They, in fact, weren't a threat. Theirs was a no-choice allowing, not allowing. ancianita Feb 2020 #170

You believe that don't you? That's sad. AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #172

It's not sad that I've read history about Cuba. What's sad is what you think I should believe. ancianita Feb 2020 #175

What's sad is you belive that Castro didn't kill his political enemies AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #178

I don't claim to know EVERY thing. But I know more than taint throwers in the Bernie arena. ancianita Feb 2020 #185

Sure, they couldnt come to us? Eko Feb 2020 #181

Weren't a threat? Seriously? redstateblues Feb 2020 #187

Actually..... paleotn Feb 2020 #113

Not at all. Obama was right to open relations and we need to keep pursuing that route MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #14

Yes, we should support Obama's opening us up to Cuba. ancianita Feb 2020 #16

Wait...now you're claiming Cuba is some sort of representative democracy? tritsofme Feb 2020 #17

Have you been there? Talked with its people? How do you even know what you're talking about. ancianita Feb 2020 #26

Cuba is a one-party authoritarian state. You may be impressed with their show elections tritsofme Feb 2020 #32

My offer stands for all who think like you. ancianita Feb 2020 #40

I'm old enough to remember hearing the same nonsense about the Soviet Union. tritsofme Feb 2020 #43

I did, too. But Cuba isn't the Soviet Union by any stretch. Its whole history proves you wrong. ancianita Feb 2020 #44

What exactly is the defense of the Cuban government? We taught you to read and write and we gave you MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #39

Straw man all Cubans and dismiss. Great. ancianita Feb 2020 #41

Moving the goalposts again, eh? LanternWaste Feb 2020 #19

What was my original premise, again? ancianita Feb 2020 #30

If YOU were energy sanctioned by your nearest neighbor for years, you'd go for help. ancianita Feb 2020 #8

Castro wanted Russia to attack the US early on. Not "years" later. Such horseshit. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #103

Link it. Don't start unlinked hostile and aggressive posts. Or you're spouting horseshit. ancianita Feb 2020 #119

How many you want? Its common knowledge among anyone who knows history. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #146

Cool. That somehow convinces us that Russia never tells another country what to say in support ancianita Feb 2020 #148

Yeah, it's not like we trained and outfitted an army to invade and overthrow their government... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #42

So you disapproved of Obama relaxing restriction on Cuba then? progressoid Feb 2020 #81

If you know your history, you know we started that one Warpy Feb 2020 #111

Balony. H2O Man Feb 2020 #10

Balony to you. ancianita Feb 2020 #12

Perhaps it would H2O Man Feb 2020 #13

Not a fair joke. Cuba's long suffering at our hands is no joking matter. ancianita Feb 2020 #18

Grow up. H2O Man Feb 2020 #20

It's a shame this subthread went sideways. PETRUS Feb 2020 #25

Yes. H2O Man Feb 2020 #62

Get over yourself. ancianita Feb 2020 #28

Impossible. H2O Man Feb 2020 #63

You win. ancianita Feb 2020 #68

You do, too. H2O Man Feb 2020 #76

And here is a Grand Prize! H2O Man Feb 2020 #90

One last thing..... H2O Man Feb 2020 #91

Thanks. Good context re Cuba around Nixon days. ancianita Feb 2020 #108

I haven't shaved H2O Man Feb 2020 #139

Magazines are changing that. My Vanity Fair subscriptions show more beards. So you're cool. ancianita Feb 2020 #141

Thanks so much for this bold and accurate post Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #21

Jeffrey Dahmer's neighbors didn't have any complaints about him Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #22

Do some reading. The Jeffrey Dahmer parallel is just plain ignorant. ancianita Feb 2020 #29

Wow! So Castro was good and America bad! blue-wave Feb 2020 #24

Wow! So Cuba was bad and America was good! ancianita Feb 2020 #31

Huh? Please don't assume blue-wave Feb 2020 #35

And you know very well that Cuba was good and America was bad. ancianita Feb 2020 #38

Stop putting words in my mouth. blue-wave Feb 2020 #183

So the people who have fled Cuba, is that because they just didn't get it when it comes to Castro? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #33

They didn't WANT it. They wanted the Batista-Mayer Lansky style capitalism. ancianita Feb 2020 #34

Oh cool. Thanks for clearing that up. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #36

Yep. Personal greed. ancianita Feb 2020 #78

And those who didn't make it HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #79

That's not the point. They did support getting rid of Batista, and the lawyer and doctor who helped ancianita Feb 2020 #114

You're sort of all over the place. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #118

So what are the thread rules, again? The personal greed comment was an oversimplified answer ancianita Feb 2020 #124

Warped in the the 1960's MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #51

Yes, but as I've learned from the OP HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #55

I'm sorry MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #57

I know, look at all these greedy Batista loving capitalists HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #64

Bless you for this MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #65

My point about how complicated the subsequent crossovers were. Make your points. Photos ancianita Feb 2020 #128

It was sneaky how they showed up in old clothes and delapidated boats to hide their greed. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #157

Stop coming in with the snark. The first wave were Batistas; 2nd & 3rd were their families. ancianita Feb 2020 #116

No, the people who fled were the rich 1% who along with Batista were ripping off ordinary totodeinhere Feb 2020 #168

Excellent op voteearlyvoteoften Feb 2020 #37

thank you for a fantastic post... myohmy2 Feb 2020 #45

Thank you, too. But it was more to bring to light what's good about Cuba than to support Bernie. ancianita Feb 2020 #48

Never threatened!!!!!!!! snowybirdie Feb 2020 #46

I'll repeat, since you didn't get the point the first time. ancianita Feb 2020 #56

Ever read the L. Fletcher Prouty book about JFK? rwsanders Feb 2020 #73

Never read it. But I've read all of Chomsky. Thanks for the book suggestion. ancianita Feb 2020 #75

This isn't your average history book... rwsanders Feb 2020 #195

Thanks. ancianita Feb 2020 #206

Yep. MaryMagdaline Feb 2020 #61

Link it. ancianita Feb 2020 #69

Good neighbors don't threaten nuclear extinction tirebiter Feb 2020 #47

Russia was his audience. Not Cuba. JFK knew who was using who in the Caribbean. ancianita Feb 2020 #50

To a degree tirebiter Feb 2020 #59

After at least one invasion and a hundred assassination attempts from US. You think he might ancianita Feb 2020 #80

The end of the world is a bit disproportionate tirebiter Feb 2020 #94

Cute. ancianita Feb 2020 #96

Excellent post ancianita! Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #49

Thanks, Uncle Joe! ancianita Feb 2020 #52

K&R Newest Reality Feb 2020 #53

If Cuba is so great, why would they let a foreign country run a torture facility on their coast? LonePirate Feb 2020 #54

I didn't say "it's so great." I SAID it's not BAD. Look up the history of Guantanamo. It will show ancianita Feb 2020 #67

I guess you never saw these. Great neighbors! George II Feb 2020 #58

Great Russian threat! And Big Bad Cuba! ancianita Feb 2020 #74

Only thing this map shows ... carlvsam Feb 2020 #162

It's good to see that Eastern Europe has been set free from communism tirebiter Feb 2020 #200

No...but he has read Aspects of the Theory of Syntax. lapucelle Feb 2020 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #60

You nailed it. burrowowl Feb 2020 #107

Thanks for this Bettie Feb 2020 #71

Including all the right wing Cubans down in Florida, not the working class Cubans in Miami & Tampa. ancianita Feb 2020 #77

Also, thank you back for backing normalized relations with our neighbors. ancianita Feb 2020 #83

Isolating Cuba does no one any good Bettie Feb 2020 #121

"...everyone is stuck in a 1960's mindset." myohmy2 Feb 2020 #144

Not now, but "never"?.. Google "The Cuban Missile Crisis" whathehell Feb 2020 #82

So did I. We've come out of that with you playing the "perfect as the enemy of the good" high road ancianita Feb 2020 #85

Huh?...First of all, who is "you"? Does that mean as opposed to."you"? whathehell Feb 2020 #88

You SAID: I lived through it. I answered you that I did, too. Now you wonder if I'm American?? ancianita Feb 2020 #95

Um, yeah whathehell Feb 2020 #99

You want to explain your lived experience? Why you think that one experience is your reason ancianita Feb 2020 #130

Um, no whathehell Feb 2020 #133

Cuba has been hardest on the people there. My brother has visited applegrove Feb 2020 #86

No different or worse from anywhere else in the world. They DO go capitalist. They just expect ancianita Feb 2020 #92

CBC radio did a story on Cuba in the 90s. A doctor was working as a applegrove Feb 2020 #98

But it's pristine. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #104

And babies were left to die in all the countries we've invaded. I've heard broadcasts like that, too ancianita Feb 2020 #115

Nope. CBC Radio. Not given to propaganda. Canada had a relationship with Cuba back applegrove Feb 2020 #120

How is it then..Fidel died worth $900 MILLION and Cubans are rafting to the US? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #160

Well said SCantiGOP Feb 2020 #87

THANKS... NEEDED TO BE SAID!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #93

Thank you so much ancianita for this wonderful post. alwaysinasnit Feb 2020 #100

Thank you all back! ancianita Feb 2020 #125

Cuba's people have suffered because of their dictatorial leadership. Not us. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #101

We sponsored the first big dictatorships, sanctioned the last.Save us your blame the victim reaction ancianita Feb 2020 #126

They're victims of their own poor choices. Not my fault. Dictators ruin lives. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #145

Please do some research. roody Feb 2020 #155

Cube has been trading & currently trades with almost every country. YOU do some research. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #163

Only six or seven, not almost every. ancianita Feb 2020 #179

Thanks for the post! burrowowl Feb 2020 #102

Post of the year! BlueWI Feb 2020 #105

I guess we all forgot that Fidel allowed Khrushchev to stage ballistic missiles in Cuba beachbumbob Feb 2020 #112

I was thinking about that too Dem4Life1102 Feb 2020 #122

Know how many missiles we have that can reach our targets in 5 minutes? WE'VE never been a threat? ancianita Feb 2020 #127

I don't think anyone forgot this, based on the fact that BlueWI Feb 2020 #196

then did I mis-read the OP title of "never been a threat"? Is this a truth or a fricken lie? beachbumbob Feb 2020 #203

Did you read the OP BlueWI Feb 2020 #205

Thank you. Wonderful post mountain grammy Feb 2020 #117

So much for being competitive in Fl... BilltheCat Feb 2020 #129

The FL GOP is Miami's Cubans. Up in Tampa, no. They're for Bernie.We can point out how hypocritical ancianita Feb 2020 #132

Thanks for sharing your perspective. David__77 Feb 2020 #134

I agree with you...that piece of dirt called Cuba has never, ever Ferrets are Cool Feb 2020 #136

Don't put words in my mouth. Make your point. ancianita Feb 2020 #137

Thanks for your post! flamingdem Feb 2020 #138

Thank you for your post, too. I'll have to check on the PR population of Miami. ancianita Feb 2020 #140

You're right..it's not taint..it's a putrid stink. AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #142

No YOU'RE right. Hm, what's that smell? ancianita Feb 2020 #147

That's immigration, ....I'm talking about fleeing...but you knew that. AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #149

Wrong again. Batista boys were the dictators. There's no debate.You just can't tell the difference. ancianita Feb 2020 #152

"You say he was genocidal? A murderer?"...I didn't say it...you can't show I said it. AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #158

Fine. There couldn't possibly be distortions of memory or political agendas. ancianita Feb 2020 #164

Well..... AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #202

No idea. Except that security for self and family can be costly, but who knows. He's dead, anyway. ancianita Feb 2020 #207

He got paid $900 million to be his own security? You don't believe that do you? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #209

I did not say that. Attacking a dead man has nothing to do with Bernie's support of Cuba. ancianita Feb 2020 #210

I grew up in Tampa, and lived there from 61 to 87 ms liberty Feb 2020 #151

Thanks for your input. ancianita Feb 2020 #153

I've been there twice roody Feb 2020 #154

Thank you. ancianita Feb 2020 #156

Fuck Castro Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #161

He's dead, dude. ancianita Feb 2020 #165

So are Khruschev and Stalin Fuck them too.. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #182

Castro lined people up and shot them for criticizing him Tweedy Feb 2020 #169

Nice 20-20 hindsight criticism. The Cubans DID toss Batista. They used the lawyer, Castro, to do it ancianita Feb 2020 #173

Castro executed his friends for criticizing him Tweedy Feb 2020 #192

Did you skip U.S. history? RandySF Feb 2020 #176

That photo was not in any history book I read in h.s., college or anytime after. I read later that ancianita Feb 2020 #177

Then you're old enough to know your OP is false. RandySF Feb 2020 #180

Castro was a commie dictator though. Nt BootinUp Feb 2020 #184

Donnie's a LIVING Russian tool Nazi dictator, tho'. Fuck Donnie who let the Russians in our house. ancianita Feb 2020 #186

So I guess that the criminals and mental health patients that Castro sent over in the boatlift TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #190

The US let them in. David__77 Feb 2020 #197

Of course our government let them in. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #198

If you can somehow connect all that to Bernie, give it a try. ancianita Feb 2020 #208

I don't need to. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #211

I know a dozen cuban immigrants EmeraldCoaster Feb 2020 #191

Ditto, but it's not just Cuban Floridians who ForEverGlades Feb 2020 #194

Spot On!! blue-wave Feb 2020 #199

My brother and his wife hand a great two weeks holiday there, and OnDoutside Feb 2020 #201

The Cuban Revolution is a pile of dung. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #204