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TexasTowelie

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38. So the people that commit crimes against persons, property, and society

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 07:29 AM

Apr 2019

are allowed to influence through voting which incidents are considered to be crimes against persons, property, and society? That makes it difficult to determine whether it creates a fairer society or a "get out of jail" loophole if those prisoners repeat their crimes after they are released. Would we want an embezzler to vote for a candidate that vows to eliminates punishment for embezzlement?

I certainly approve of restoring the voting rights of people after they serve their imprisonment and/or probation. I also support the rights of prisoners to be treated humanely while in prison with adequate food and clothing, a reasonable environment, and free from mental, physical, and sexual abuse while incarcerated. However, prison is supposed to be a deterrent to committing crimes so losing the privilege to vote is not an inherent human right that should be protected, particularly if it leads to a society that is less fair.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie Sanders advocates voting rights for incarcerated criminals... [View all] brooklynite Apr 2019 OP

I wonder if that includes by absentee ballot so that Vermont's incarcerated lapucelle Apr 2019 #1

Probably not. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #52

How would we know that the vote tally coming from a privately owned, repub backed prison ecstatic Apr 2019 #2

How do we know that the vote tally coming from Republican owned machines watoos Apr 2019 #68

Another good reason to support Bernie for POTUS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #3

You think this is a good idea? Tipperary Apr 2019 #7

so we should assume everyone in prison is an immoral animal? Kentonio Apr 2019 #25

So sad that our society looks down on our fellow human beings this way. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #32

I think people in prison qazplm135 Apr 2019 #103

Yes! sfwriter Apr 2019 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #167

Firearms are not recognized as a human right. sfwriter Apr 2019 #169

You speak so much on that which you seem to know so very little. LanternWaste Apr 2019 #139

Good advice... hopefully some will make the effort to educate themselves on this important topic. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #158

You always give me glee Lantern Waste. Tipperary Apr 2019 #165

why? qazplm135 Apr 2019 #8

Just because someone commits a crime, and is locked in a cage like an animal, doesn't mean InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #10

good lord qazplm135 Apr 2019 #12

How the hell do you think you get criminal justice reform?! You vote for those who support it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #13

Nonsensical reply qazplm135 Apr 2019 #23

It's great that Sanders is evolving on criminal justice reform! Good for him! (!!!!!!!!) betsuni Apr 2019 #28

Yeah because Black people don't care about jobs and healthcare just prison stuff.(sarcasm) Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #49

You'll also be glad to hear Bernie's not in favor of upholding wrongful convictions obtained InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #50

I thought you were kidding...no one upholds wrongful convictions. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #51

Bernie leads the fight in opposing wrongful convictions & should be lauded for that is all Im sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #56

You mean fighting for all those people he didn't even know were there? MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #67

Bernie's WELL aware of those bein held in prison under wrongful conviction due 2 official misconduct InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #81

You mean the ones shipped from Vermont to hellish prisons in the south that Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #99

... lapucelle Apr 2019 #127

Link Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #96

He leads the fight?? qazplm135 Apr 2019 #101

I point this out below Docreed2003 Apr 2019 #120

When a candidate is the 1st to lead out on a campaign issue, like Bernie does on a consistent basis InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #159

I'm not throwing shade on Bernie Docreed2003 Apr 2019 #161

Not true. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #162

Please enlighten me on what I've said that isn't true Docreed2003 Apr 2019 #164

Unfortunately some do. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #181

No one agrees with this.,.this is not an issue. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #182

You made an absolutist statement. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #183

... betsuni Apr 2019 #86

You can make light of fighting against wrongful convictions due to official misconduct... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #88

What fight. You have provided no links.I found nothing myself. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #102

Bernie's given airtime to this aspect of criminal justice reform in numerous speeches he's given... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #111

I have heard the stump speech so the answer nothing. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #163

Vermont is horrible on prisoners. Are you aware of this? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #54

Bernie is a CHAMPION FOR prisoner rights and AGAINST upholding wrongful convictions... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #60

I Google this and found no articles except the restoring the right to vote which just happened. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #89

Only prisoners support criminal justice reform? Tipperary Apr 2019 #76

Thank you. It is clear some in this thread have never been anywhere near a prison. Tipperary Apr 2019 #75

YVW... yes, some here just need to be informed on this important aspect of criminal justice reform. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #79

Good luck with that. Tipperary Apr 2019 #84

+1 MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #113

I think you should read up on Jim Webb. It will help you to understand leading on this issue. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #192

VERY serious! Seems, perhaps, YOU'RE the one that needs enlightening, not me. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #193

The exclamation mark cleared it up for me. Thank you. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #195

several reasons... sfwriter Apr 2019 #97

In Vermont and Maine, felons can vote even while incarcerated. progressoid Apr 2019 #140

So the right to carry a gun? That's in the BoR's....voting isn't. What say you? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #168

Why? George II Apr 2019 #15

I'm glad you asked. sfwriter Apr 2019 #100

I agree InAbLuEsTaTe. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #18

Of course you do. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #39

Is there anything he does that his fans don't agree with? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #46

No. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #48

Yes. So true. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #72

Please, please don't let this divide us again! zanana1 Apr 2019 #62

Bernie is divisive. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #66

Extremism? progressoid Apr 2019 #142

LMFAO!!!!! Once again, you nailed it!!!! Cue the crickets... chirp, chip!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #160

It already is dividing us. I would vote for anyone in a general but I see twitter stuff about how Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #71

Thank you. n/t femmedem Apr 2019 #80

Is there anything that Biden does that his fans don't agree with? progressoid Apr 2019 #135

No. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #53

If voting for incarcerated felons is a good idea...why not ALL other rights? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #136

Because voting has the most direct effect on rights relating to criminal justice reform. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #146

If you restore ONE right for inmates...why not all... AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #152

Thought this was obvious... apparently not. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #156

Enlighten us..... AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #166

+1 Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #141

How convenient he read the Des Moines Register. Skidmore Apr 2019 #4

I'll bet that paper has a "Today's Forecast" section too. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #5

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".... George II Apr 2019 #16

+1 Docreed2003 Apr 2019 #82

I didn't read the article but the title refers to those who have already served their sentences JI7 Apr 2019 #6

Good for Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #11

Why? George II Apr 2019 #17

Because Bernie. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #42

Because Bernie said it is the only reason I can find. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #43

Anyyhing... bad ideas like this is applauded by Sanders voters. I don't get that... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #41

No, they can be coerced in prison and it won't play well with voters. And elections are run by the Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #45

Try going with that come debate time and let's see where it gets you. oasis Apr 2019 #9

No doubt other candidates will bring up Vermont's abysmal system. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #55

I can't think of an easier place to coerce votes. nolabear Apr 2019 #14

Out of all the got damn problems.....this ain't one. Just what is he trying to do here? nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #19

What is he trying to do? Kentonio Apr 2019 #26

Me, I think he is trying to win a nomination...but this is a bad idea as states get to decide who Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #36

You give him more credit than I do. MH1 Apr 2019 #150

"He probably thinks this helps attract Black voters." ecstatic Apr 2019 #186

So the people that commit crimes against persons, property, and society TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #38

Well said TT. You said it much better than I. Tipperary Apr 2019 #78

Please show me some examples of politicians running on pro-crime agendas Kentonio Apr 2019 #90

You know that I can't TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #108

America locks up more people per capita than any other country in the world Kentonio Apr 2019 #117

Then the effort should be made to change the laws in those states. TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #121

You know who gave ex - convicts a chance that GM plant that closed. Yeah Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #40

Um no what he is doing is pandering. People in prison are not concerned with voting. Do you know UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #118

You think you can speak for what is important to over 2.3 MILLION people? Kentonio Apr 2019 #119

You obviously don't know anyone who has been to prison. OBVIOUSLY. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #123

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #129

Good thing I have common sense. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #133

That's a bold claim. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #131

It's friggin common sense. I'm done. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #132

That's what people say when they don't have anything to back up their claim. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #134

I hope Sanders keeps pushing this !!! UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #137

Me, too. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #143

Me three... don't worry, Bernie will not be lettin this go anytime soon!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #157

Exactly... jobs and healthcare. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #37

Violent criminals should not vote. IluvPitties Apr 2019 #20

Since when were all felons violent? Let alone murderers? Kentonio Apr 2019 #27

They aren't. Agschmid Apr 2019 #59

THANK YOU!! Seems obvious, but, apparently, some here need enlightening. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #194

Links to articles about this from The Hill and the Des Moines Register: highplainsdem Apr 2019 #21

maybe he thinks it would make up for not releasing tax returns. JI7 Apr 2019 #22

If so, then he's definitely not thinking very clearly. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #24

Probably a bridge too far, though I support restoring voting rights whathehell Apr 2019 #29

Bad idea... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #30

+1 TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #31

I agree but it is not an issue to run on and states do this, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #34

It's ridiculous. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #35

He said this: betsuni Apr 2019 #44

There must be a few perks. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #47

What does that even mean...and does this 'transformations' lead to electing Trump again? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61

"Transformational" FDR blah blah blah. betsuni Apr 2019 #70

Yes it is. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #74

So what is he after...blow up our chances? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #57

Check out Old Towne Media for starters. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #64

Interesting.. thanks Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #69

There are several reasons to do it. sfwriter Apr 2019 #171

I read... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #187

Possibly you are right. sfwriter Apr 2019 #189

I sure hope it's... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #191

It is fringe and will hurt us. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #33

Actually, it is not a fringe idea globally and two states already do it. sfwriter Apr 2019 #172

It's a great policy IMO. Agschmid Apr 2019 #58

Why? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #63

I would ask you why not? Agschmid Apr 2019 #83

No. After release but we don't need votes coerced by righties... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #92

fringe? government answers to "we the people", not "we the people who abide by government's rules" unblock Apr 2019 #65

However, we do limit the right to vote among the people living in this country. TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #94

we do but we shouldn't. the potential for abuse is great in letting government take away the vote. unblock Apr 2019 #116

The point is that governments can set conditions on rights and privileges, TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #144

Good on Sanders. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #73

How about any rights? Or is it just the vote? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #154

It is impossible to incarcerate someone without removing certain rights. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #155

We're suppose to consider people's civil rights based on popularity? BeckyDem Apr 2019 #77

You know the BEST way to implement a progressive civil rights policy? brooklynite Apr 2019 #98

Yea, on policies that appeal to people. BeckyDem Apr 2019 #147

Judicial and criminal reform can indeed be bipartisan... brooklynite Apr 2019 #148

The reasons he did so poorly had nothing to do with his criminal reform record. BeckyDem Apr 2019 #149

Talk about a losing issue. This can't gain us any votes. It will only lose votes. nycbos Apr 2019 #85

I am all for criminal justice reform, but not for this policy Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #87

What state do you live in? What are considered felonies in your state? Agschmid Apr 2019 #91

I am in Illinois. As I posted, I am for criminal justice reform Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #95

If anything, that means that New Hampshire needs to amend the TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #115

So then each state does their own thing, which isn't ideal IMO. Agschmid Apr 2019 #126

The thing is that voter registration is conducted at the state level, TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #130

I don't live in a red state so I don't get it in some ways. Agschmid Apr 2019 #138

You should reconsider sfwriter Apr 2019 #104

Know about that. Thanks Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #112

Release your tax forms, Bernie katmondoo Apr 2019 #93

What a dumb idea. cwydro Apr 2019 #105

Well it depends on if they have over 5 Cannabis plants, because that's a felony there. Agschmid Apr 2019 #128

There are several good reason to allow prisoners to vote sfwriter Apr 2019 #170

It is great that people are hearing about this topic. sfwriter Apr 2019 #107

not a good idea ebbie15644 Apr 2019 #109

There are good reasons for it. sfwriter Apr 2019 #173

Prisoners in VT and ME can vote. Those states have just gone to hell in a handbag I guess Nanjeanne Apr 2019 #110

Where would Bernie have gotten such a nutty idea... oh, right. sfwriter Apr 2019 #174

Ireland doesn't let its citizens vote while overseas. Ask me how I know this. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #180

Only since 2006. Nanjeanne Apr 2019 #185

He's doing trump's bidding. Trying to make the Democrats look extreme. LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #114

Really I think people should take on the housing and feeding of inmates in their own homes. Historic NY Apr 2019 #122

Obvious pandering ploy. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #124

There are better goals, like helping ex-offenders get their vote back. ucrdem Apr 2019 #125

The two ideas are linked. You don't have to "restore" what was never lost. sfwriter Apr 2019 #175

And there's another unpopular idea with the hoi polloi. MineralMan Apr 2019 #145

"It's difficult enough to get support for voting rights for those who have served their sentences" Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #153

First things first. I would rather see a national push to give voting rights to ex-felons who have totodeinhere Apr 2019 #151

Eliminate the removal of rights in the first place and yer done on both counts. sfwriter Apr 2019 #176

I'm glad you are learning about this. I already knew about it. totodeinhere Apr 2019 #188

Great! sfwriter Apr 2019 #190

Just dumb itsrobert Apr 2019 #177

Not that out there of an idea. Buzz cook Apr 2019 #178

I wish him well in this endeavour. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #179

That way Trump can get the Aryan Brotherhood vote LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #184