Democratic Primaries

Downtown Hound

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77. That's a pile of shit

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 07:22 PM

Feb 2020

The rightful winner should be the one with the most delegates. If Sanders gets that and the DNC takes it away from him we are finished in November. You think the massive coalition of young people he has amassed give a shit about party loyalty? Most of them don't even identitfy as Democrat, and shit like what you're suggesting is a big part of the reason why. They will ditch the Democrats in droves, and Trump will win a second term in a landslide.

Your delusion that they could do this and get away with it is not only delusional, it's dangerous. Democrats will be fucked for yeaars if they do what you're suggesting, and you are simply lying to yourself if you think any different.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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This shouldn't have to be said: A contested convention will doom us. [View all] Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 OP

It can be argued we're doomed either way Renew Deal Feb 2020 #1

Ah, Pence... jberryhill Feb 2020 #16

only if one candidate tries to sabotage the entire election. ahemmmmmmmmmm nt msongs Feb 2020 #2

Speak your mind. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #3

Exactly. I just had a conversation with a supporter of that candidate. I pointed out that Squinch Feb 2020 #51

I'm not sure I agree democrattotheend Feb 2020 #4

I have been saying this. Steelrolled Feb 2020 #5

There is exactly a 0% chance it would go that way. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #6

No that wouldn't happen rockfordfile Feb 2020 #13

Wise analysis. delisen Feb 2020 #24

One candidate and that candidate's followers are unlikely to support Blue_true Feb 2020 #56

And I have a bridge to sell you. Kilgore Feb 2020 #79

The M4A bridge ? OnDoutside Feb 2020 #81

Was thinking Brooklyn Kilgore Feb 2020 #91

No, we need to learn how to work as a team relayerbob Feb 2020 #7

I agree, that's how it should be. Unfortunately, that's not how it is. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #8

Actually, in history, a contested convention saved the United States. NNadir Feb 2020 #9

None of the candidates are Lincoln. And this isn't the 1800s. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #11

Um, in 1860, Lincoln wasn't "a Lincoln." We do have candidates who think this is the 1960's. NNadir Feb 2020 #15

"This list excludes the guy who hasn't changed his mind..." - This is why it would fail. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #22

Hear hear Sugarcoated Feb 2020 #33

It'll be ok. David__77 Feb 2020 #10

It will alienate massive numbers of voters CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #12

You mean the massive numbers that turn out for primaries? jberryhill Feb 2020 #14

They give a shit this time CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #19

Surely, the "rightful winner" is the one that the rules of the Democratic Party... First Speaker Feb 2020 #23

That "rule" is outrageous CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #25

Bernie Sanders fought to get that rule after his opponent had Blue_true Feb 2020 #59

NOT TRUE CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #72

The "rightful winner" is whomever emerges from the convention with the nomination jberryhill Feb 2020 #28

No reasonable person would see it that way CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #31

That attitude is the definition of party loyalty jberryhill Feb 2020 #32

Scary authoritarian BS CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #36

I'm not interesting in "winning people over" to the Democratic Party jberryhill Feb 2020 #37

+1000 Mike 03 Feb 2020 #50

Are you really that obtuse as to think that members of Democratic Underground will be the only ones Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #90

Maybe the cart and horse aren't in the right place to start with. LenaW Feb 2020 #47

The rules that will be used to pick the nominee are the rules that Sanders forced in 2016. Blue_true Feb 2020 #63

The rules this year are rules that Sanders wanted in place. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT?!!!!! n Blue_true Feb 2020 #60

NOT TRUE CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #68

Bernie asked the superdelegates to overturn what primary voters had decided. Blue_true Feb 2020 #73

Bernie has been clear and unambiguous CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #75

Ok, if Biden or Bloomberg has the most votes, that person is the winner. Blue_true Feb 2020 #76

From my understanding superdelegates are not involved in first round Kathy M Feb 2020 #82

That's a pile of shit Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #77

Who is the rightful winner? squirecam Feb 2020 #45

The rightful winner is the determined by the people CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #48

So, you set the rules rather than the party that everyone here has chose to join? Squinch Feb 2020 #53

Knew the rules?! CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #58

Yes, Bernie wanted no superdelegates. But by that time Bernie had already switched Squinch Feb 2020 #61

Why did I join it?! CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #66

Sanders had the selection rule changed to what it is now. Blue_true Feb 2020 #64

That is absolutely not true CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #67

Bernie tried to get the superdelegates to overturn the voters decision. Blue_true Feb 2020 #74

Sure, just keep pissing on the most active and loyal members of the party Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #80

Although I keep hoping "the young people" will be energized to vote, but every time, I'm napi21 Feb 2020 #34

Young people seldom come out to vote. The one time they did come out in large numbers, 2018, Squinch Feb 2020 #54

It sounds like you are saying we need to change the rules as you say you are not saying LizBeth Feb 2020 #17

Welcome to DU. What I said is exactly what I mean. Don't change the rules. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #18

Brokered Convention Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #20

Why there won't be a contested Convention... Bernie is goin to be the Democratic nominee, period! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #21

Not if he only gets 30% of the delegates. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #27

On this, we agree. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author denem Feb 2020 #26

Nope, a BS nomination would doom us.. Callado119 Feb 2020 #29

What happened in 2016, is that the rust belt states voted for Bernie in the primary. Meadowoak Feb 2020 #35

Wait, don't lump Minnesota in with the 2016 Trump states. Mister Ed Feb 2020 #39

I stand corrected, thank you. Meadowoak Feb 2020 #44

I agree with the points Hav Feb 2020 #38

A Sanders nomination will doom us in the General. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #40

I don't how supporters of democracy think giving super delegates the right to choose Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #41

Until 1960, nominees were picked by party powerbrokers at the convention. Blue_true Feb 2020 #65

I agree. Let's change how the primaries work but let the voters choose. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #71

If a candidate has a majority of delegates,that candidate wiii MineralMan Feb 2020 #42

Correct squirecam Feb 2020 #46

I agree with you. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #43

I just don't see Sanders and his supporters accepting anyone but him. Blue_true Feb 2020 #69

Opposing candidates and superdelegates are still rational actors. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #49

Then Bernie should drop out now. OhZone Feb 2020 #52

Buahaha. The front runner...should drop out. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #62

ha OhZone Feb 2020 #83

It's sad that you can't move on from 2016. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #84

I never change - OhZone Feb 2020 #85

Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true, right? Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #86

NAW OhZone Feb 2020 #87

" Bernie Sanders Signs Democratic Party Loyalty Pledge For 2020 Run" Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #88

Good to see - OhZone Feb 2020 #89

That is a wrong statement. Blue_true Feb 2020 #55

"Bite off your nose to spite your face" malcontents will be replaced oasis Feb 2020 #57

It is inevitable and has been since the day the new rules were written. boston bean Feb 2020 #70

It is what it is going to be. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #78