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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders advocates voting rights for incarcerated criminals... [View all]sfwriter
(3,032 posts)107. It is great that people are hearing about this topic.
I'm glad you are learning about this. It is not an uncommon argument in US prison reform circles.
Precedent and lack of controversial outcomes::
Vermont and Maine already do. It has done no harm.
Racist Context:
This policy of prisoner disenfranchisement puts us in line with Aparthied South Africa, for much the same reason. It is a policy that disproportionately disenfranchises African Americans.
Racist origins: (this is closely related to felon disenfranchisement, for historical reasons):
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/opinion/the-racist-origins-of-felon-disenfranchisement.html
"The white supremacists who championed such measures were very clear on their reasons. In 1894, a white South Carolina newspaper argued that voting laws needed to be amended, lest whites be swept away at the polls by the black vote. In 1901 Alabama amended its Constitution to expand disenfranchisement to all crimes involving moral turpitude a vague term that was applied to misdemeanors and even acts not punishable by law. The president of the constitutional convention argued that manipulating the ballot to exclude blacks was warranted, because they were inferior to whites and because the state needed to avert the menace of Negro domination.
and
"The debate looks a lot different in Maine and Vermont, states where there are no black populations to speak of and racial demonization does not come into the equation. Both states place no restrictions on voting rights for people convicted of even serious crimes and have steadfastly resisted efforts to revoke a system that allows inmates to vote from prison.
Maine residents vigorously debated the issue last year, when the Legislature took up and declined to pass a bill that would have stripped the vote from some inmates, whose crimes included murder and other major felonies. Families of murder victims argued that the killers had denied their loved ones the right to vote and therefore should suffer the same fate.
Those who opposed the bill made several arguments: That the franchise is enshrined in the state Constitution and too important to withdraw on a whim; that voting rights keep inmates connected to civic life and make it easier for them to rejoin society; that the notion of restricting rights for people in prison was inconsistent with the values of the state."
International norms:
"Many countries fully recognize the right of incarcerated citizens to vote. Today, 26 European nations at least partially protect their incarcerated citizens right to vote, while 18 countries grant prisoners the vote regardless of the offense. In Germany, Norway, and Portugal, only crimes that specifically target the integrity of the state or constitutionally protected democratic order result in disenfranchisement. The European Court of Human Rights has forcefully defended the voter franchise, going so far as to condemn in 2005 Britains blanket ban on voting rights for prisoners, calling it a violation of human rights. In December of last year, after 12 years of resistance to the ECHRs decision, the UK partially relented by allowing prisoners on temporary release and at home under curfew to cast their ballots."
https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/projects/prisoner-voting/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Bernie Sanders advocates voting rights for incarcerated criminals... [View all]
brooklynite
Apr 2019
OP
How would we know that the vote tally coming from a privately owned, repub backed prison
ecstatic
Apr 2019
#2
Good advice... hopefully some will make the effort to educate themselves on this important topic.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#158
Just because someone commits a crime, and is locked in a cage like an animal, doesn't mean
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#10
How the hell do you think you get criminal justice reform?! You vote for those who support it!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#13
It's great that Sanders is evolving on criminal justice reform! Good for him! (!!!!!!!!)
betsuni
Apr 2019
#28
Yeah because Black people don't care about jobs and healthcare just prison stuff.(sarcasm)
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#49
You'll also be glad to hear Bernie's not in favor of upholding wrongful convictions obtained
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#50
Bernie leads the fight in opposing wrongful convictions & should be lauded for that is all Im sayin.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#56
Bernie's WELL aware of those bein held in prison under wrongful conviction due 2 official misconduct
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#81
When a candidate is the 1st to lead out on a campaign issue, like Bernie does on a consistent basis
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#159
You can make light of fighting against wrongful convictions due to official misconduct...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#88
Bernie's given airtime to this aspect of criminal justice reform in numerous speeches he's given...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#111
Bernie is a CHAMPION FOR prisoner rights and AGAINST upholding wrongful convictions...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#60
I Google this and found no articles except the restoring the right to vote which just happened.
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#89
Thank you. It is clear some in this thread have never been anywhere near a prison.
Tipperary
Apr 2019
#75
YVW... yes, some here just need to be informed on this important aspect of criminal justice reform.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#79
I think you should read up on Jim Webb. It will help you to understand leading on this issue.
WeekiWater
Apr 2019
#192
VERY serious! Seems, perhaps, YOU'RE the one that needs enlightening, not me.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#193
So the right to carry a gun? That's in the BoR's....voting isn't. What say you?
AncientGeezer
Apr 2019
#168
LMFAO!!!!! Once again, you nailed it!!!! Cue the crickets... chirp, chip!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#160
It already is dividing us. I would vote for anyone in a general but I see twitter stuff about how
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#71
If voting for incarcerated felons is a good idea...why not ALL other rights?
AncientGeezer
Apr 2019
#136
Because voting has the most direct effect on rights relating to criminal justice reform.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#146
I didn't read the article but the title refers to those who have already served their sentences
JI7
Apr 2019
#6
Anyyhing... bad ideas like this is applauded by Sanders voters. I don't get that...
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#41
No, they can be coerced in prison and it won't play well with voters. And elections are run by the
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#45
Out of all the got damn problems.....this ain't one. Just what is he trying to do here? nt
UniteFightBack
Apr 2019
#19
Me, I think he is trying to win a nomination...but this is a bad idea as states get to decide who
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#36
Um no what he is doing is pandering. People in prison are not concerned with voting. Do you know
UniteFightBack
Apr 2019
#118
That's what people say when they don't have anything to back up their claim.
Cuthbert Allgood
Apr 2019
#134
Me three... don't worry, Bernie will not be lettin this go anytime soon!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#157
What does that even mean...and does this 'transformations' lead to electing Trump again?
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#61
fringe? government answers to "we the people", not "we the people who abide by government's rules"
unblock
Apr 2019
#65
However, we do limit the right to vote among the people living in this country.
TexasTowelie
Apr 2019
#94
we do but we shouldn't. the potential for abuse is great in letting government take away the vote.
unblock
Apr 2019
#116
The point is that governments can set conditions on rights and privileges,
TexasTowelie
Apr 2019
#144
The reasons he did so poorly had nothing to do with his criminal reform record.
BeckyDem
Apr 2019
#149
Talk about a losing issue. This can't gain us any votes. It will only lose votes.
nycbos
Apr 2019
#85
Well it depends on if they have over 5 Cannabis plants, because that's a felony there.
Agschmid
Apr 2019
#128
Prisoners in VT and ME can vote. Those states have just gone to hell in a handbag I guess
Nanjeanne
Apr 2019
#110
Ireland doesn't let its citizens vote while overseas. Ask me how I know this.
Pope George Ringo II
Apr 2019
#180
Really I think people should take on the housing and feeding of inmates in their own homes.
Historic NY
Apr 2019
#122
"It's difficult enough to get support for voting rights for those who have served their sentences"
Hassin Bin Sober
Apr 2019
#153
First things first. I would rather see a national push to give voting rights to ex-felons who have
totodeinhere
Apr 2019
#151
Eliminate the removal of rights in the first place and yer done on both counts.
sfwriter
Apr 2019
#176