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In reply to the discussion: FFS! I am tired of reading this S*** [View all]ancianita
(43,451 posts)78. THX. It's an important read.It also says supers only compromise 15% of DNC delegates. Here's more:
... superdelegates fall into four categories based on other positions they hold, and are formally described (in Rule 9.A) as "unpledged party leader and elected official delegates"[5] (unpledged PLEO[a] delegates) consisting of
1. Elected members of the Democratic National Committee: "the chairs and vice chairs of each state and territorial Democratic Party; 212 national committeemen and committeewomen elected to represent their states; top officials of the DNC itself and several of its auxiliary groups (such as the Democratic Attorneys General Association, the National Federation of Democratic Women and the Young Democrats of America); and 75 at-large members who are nominated by the party chairman and chosen by the full DNC."[4] Most of the at-large members "are local party leaders, officeholders and donors or representatives of important Democratic constituencies, such as organized labor."[4] There were 437 DNC members (with 433 votes) who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
2. Democratic Governors (including territorial governors and the Mayor of the District of Columbia). There were 21 Democratic Governors who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
3. Democratic Members of Congress.There were 191 U.S. Representatives (including non-voting delegates from Washington, D.C. and territories) and 47 U.S. Senators (including Washington, D.C. shadow senators) who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
4. Distinguished party leaders (consisting of current and former Presidents, Vice Presidents, congressional leaders, and DNC chairs). There were 20 of these who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
Of the superdelegates at the 2016 Convention, 58% were male and 62% were non-Hispanic white (20% were black and 11% were Hispanic). The average age was about 60.[4] There is no bar on lobbyists serving as DNC members (and thus superdelegates); ABC News found that about 9% of superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention (67 people in all) were former or current lobbyists registered on the federal and state level.[6]
This lobbyist inclusion can mean that a lot of money can be quid pro quo offered to supers and state delegates at a brokered convention. Even for candidates not on the nominee short list.
The RNC doesn't use a superdelegate system.
1. Elected members of the Democratic National Committee: "the chairs and vice chairs of each state and territorial Democratic Party; 212 national committeemen and committeewomen elected to represent their states; top officials of the DNC itself and several of its auxiliary groups (such as the Democratic Attorneys General Association, the National Federation of Democratic Women and the Young Democrats of America); and 75 at-large members who are nominated by the party chairman and chosen by the full DNC."[4] Most of the at-large members "are local party leaders, officeholders and donors or representatives of important Democratic constituencies, such as organized labor."[4] There were 437 DNC members (with 433 votes) who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
2. Democratic Governors (including territorial governors and the Mayor of the District of Columbia). There were 21 Democratic Governors who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
3. Democratic Members of Congress.There were 191 U.S. Representatives (including non-voting delegates from Washington, D.C. and territories) and 47 U.S. Senators (including Washington, D.C. shadow senators) who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
4. Distinguished party leaders (consisting of current and former Presidents, Vice Presidents, congressional leaders, and DNC chairs). There were 20 of these who were superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention.[4]
Of the superdelegates at the 2016 Convention, 58% were male and 62% were non-Hispanic white (20% were black and 11% were Hispanic). The average age was about 60.[4] There is no bar on lobbyists serving as DNC members (and thus superdelegates); ABC News found that about 9% of superdelegates at the 2016 Democratic National Convention (67 people in all) were former or current lobbyists registered on the federal and state level.[6]
This lobbyist inclusion can mean that a lot of money can be quid pro quo offered to supers and state delegates at a brokered convention. Even for candidates not on the nominee short list.
The RNC doesn't use a superdelegate system.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Well, I sure hope so. Because if the superdelegates choose someone who didn't get the most votes,
DanTex
Feb 2020
#5
No. If 70% vote for someone else, then how does the guy with a 30% share get all the marbles.
Midnight Writer
Feb 2020
#40
30% is not the problem level, it is when you are talking 40% and especially higher
Celerity
Feb 2020
#47
THX. It's an important read.It also says supers only compromise 15% of DNC delegates. Here's more:
ancianita
Feb 2020
#78
re: "I read here today that all Super Delagates...are Corporate Lobbyist's."
thesquanderer
Feb 2020
#83
And most of them prefer someone else. He's never broken 34% in raw vote totals. n/t
pnwmom
Feb 2020
#18
OK, but in this case, the voters do think that Bernie is the best candidate for the job.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#33
Ok, but polling shows that 65% of D's LIKE Sanders (even though he may not be their first choice)
thesquanderer
Feb 2020
#75
Where do you get that? Your second link says 44% would be "very uncomfortable" with Bernie
pnwmom
Feb 2020
#133
Party insiders, yes. I gotta be honest, I do not understand the aversion to letting voters decide.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#17
it is not an aversion to letting voters decide. We have already voted in our primaries
yellowdogintexas
Feb 2020
#50
She is a *Republican*. She likes Republican things like tax cuts for rich people
DanTex
Feb 2020
#32
The goalpost move didn't work so now, a sad, despearate attempt at an ad hominem.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#61
Nice try at a goalpost move... we're talking about the Sanders campaign. Not their supporters.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#60
And the delegates should respect the electorate, and nominate whoever gets the most votes.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#35
On the first vote, all pledges delegates ARE required to respect the electorate that voted for them
AGeddy
Feb 2020
#37
"The responsibility that superdelegates have is to decide what is best for this country and what is
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#64
Nice try. Not re-litigating, reviewing. By your definition it's 'relitigating' to point out that HRC
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#66
2016 was a different circumstance, things happened, best to not re-litigate and move forward instead
DanTex
Feb 2020
#73
Getting desperate, Dan... Same candidate, 180 on their statements on the role of superdelegates.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#89
Oh, okay. Do you object to your candidate being a super delegate? Or only the...
Hekate
Feb 2020
#42
Holy cow! Unhinged reaction!! Take a breath! Follow calm Mayor Pete!
Laura PourMeADrink
Feb 2020
#15
Already have. Bullies can't take their own medicine. Don't you agree?
Laura PourMeADrink
Feb 2020
#124
Really, it's just one guy honing his ability to be obtuse in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#77
That's true as well. He didn't like the idea of SD at all, but since that was the system,
thesquanderer
Feb 2020
#122
BS is a superdelegate. He hired superdelegate Nina Turner to run his campaign.
lapucelle
Feb 2020
#126