Democratic Primaries

ehrnst

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117. You keep copying and pasting the very same evasion, and can't ever back up your position

Fri Feb 28, 2020, 01:15 PM

Feb 2020

facts, like I have backed up mine.

Bernie Sanders pushed for a contested convention in 2016. Now he wants to avoid one.

Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is and just own the fact that you consider any rule, no matter how established, to be wrong if it doesn't benefit your candidate.

You don't have to keep trying to convince people that you're being consistent or unbiased, or are really concerned about what is or isn't 'undemocratic,' concerning procedures in the Democratic primary.

If it helps Bernie win, then it's moral and progressive. If it works against him winning, then it's the opposite of moral and progressive.

That's what your posts are about.

Pro Tip: Copy and paste evasions don't fool anyone, an just smack of desperation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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A candidate that gets 35% of the votes shouldn't win. But a candidate that gets 25% should! [View all] DanTex Feb 2020 OP

Oh, FFS. Squinch Feb 2020 #1

+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2020 #2

... LexVegas Feb 2020 #3

Oh, FFS! NurseJackie Feb 2020 #4

Most definitely. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #14

Where's that beating a dead horse gif? mcar Feb 2020 #106

3 states so far.. SunsetDreams2 Feb 2020 #5

Agreed. No idea why superdelegates are already talking about stopping Bernie at the convention. DanTex Feb 2020 #9

The New York Times SunsetDreams2 Feb 2020 #16

Hopefully you're right, and those superdelegates that went on the record for that NYT article DanTex Feb 2020 #18

They quoted 3 or 4 but claimed SunsetDreams2 Feb 2020 #23

"overwhelming opposition to handing Mr. Sanders the nomination if he fell short of a majority ehrnst Feb 2020 #129

Maybe the convention rules should just be, "Bernie gets the nomination no matter what". n/t Mister Ed Feb 2020 #6

LOL!! peggysue2 Feb 2020 #12

Nah. Bernie/Biden/Warren/Pete/Mike/Amy gets the nomination if (s)he gets the most votes. DanTex Feb 2020 #17

Most votes has nothing to do with it... SidDithers Feb 2020 #26

It does if we want to avoid fracturing the party and re-electing Trump. DanTex Feb 2020 #52

If we want to avoid fracturing the party... Mister Ed Feb 2020 #65

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #123

The rules ARE the rules. MineralMan Feb 2020 #71

Of course. How the delegates and supers choose to carry out those rules makes all the difference. DanTex Feb 2020 #72

That is your opinion, which is fine, but it has nothing MineralMan Feb 2020 #76

And your opinion is fine too. We'll see. Hopefully the supers respect the will of the electorate, DanTex Feb 2020 #81

Rush Limbaugh? Why even mention his name in this discussion? MineralMan Feb 2020 #95

Great post...and it's not rocket science. AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #134

"Really not complicated. No idea why anyone would want to do anything else." ehrnst Feb 2020 #130

Thank you. I swear, that should be an OP, pinned to the top of the Primaries forum. n/t Mister Ed Feb 2020 #136

Thank you. I agree. But certain candidates are exempt from ehrnst Feb 2020 #137

That's the theme of every thread by this poster. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #43

It's so annoying I'm to the point of putting them on ignore. xmas74 Feb 2020 #66

Well it is primary season Anaxamander Feb 2020 #103

And then there's beating a dead horse. xmas74 Feb 2020 #139

I've been there too, but don't hit the button aka-chmeee Feb 2020 #116

Exactly nt xmas74 Feb 2020 #138

(Sigh). All too true. And while I appreciate the passion and persistence, Mister Ed Feb 2020 #69

And only the primaries of the first three states should count NT Rorey Feb 2020 #87

OTOH, you could make this argument... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #7

Yes, but in this case, it would be completely wrong, because DanTex Feb 2020 #13

Only one of my close friends likes Bernie - OhZone Feb 2020 #32

If it's not the majority, no. themaguffin Feb 2020 #33

Yes, although I knew your post was inspired by Sanders, it was presented in the abstract, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #40

Yes. Bernie is currently leading the polls, but that could change, of course. DanTex Feb 2020 #48

" the establishment went ahead and put in their favorite candidate rather than the one that the ehrnst Feb 2020 #128

35% is a bit low to be demanding the nomination, especially if others are only a few points back Celerity Feb 2020 #51

NO. Whomever gets the required amount of delegates boston bean Feb 2020 #78

"And votes are votes. Whoever gets the most votes should be the nominee. Period. Simple." ehrnst Feb 2020 #133

Who got 35% of the votes? Sunsky Feb 2020 #8

Which is why it's so weird that superdelegates are already talking about "stopping Bernie." DanTex Feb 2020 #10

No Sunsky Feb 2020 #55

"Whoever gets the most pledged delegates should be the nominee." ehrnst Feb 2020 #132

So tired of whining and shitty either or fallacies. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #11

Yes, the superdelegates whining about the people voting for the "wrong" candidate is truly tiring. DanTex Feb 2020 #15

Are you pulling this all out of your hat or somewhere else? LanternWaste Feb 2020 #20

Even simpler than that. Just follow the rules that are already set and agreed to. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #21

Absolutely. Follow the rules. I agree. DanTex Feb 2020 #24

You obviously believe that crap. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #28

+1000. ehrnst Feb 2020 #31

"The responsibility that superdelegates have is to decide what is best for this country and what is ehrnst Feb 2020 #35

Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary IMO. DanTex Feb 2020 #49

"Please stop quoting Bernie Codeine Feb 2020 #62

Not at all. The 2016 discussion requires (a lot of) context. Best not relitigate. Move forward. DanTex Feb 2020 #63

"We have always been at war with Eurasia." nt Codeine Feb 2020 #64

Sorry, Pal. His own words are documented. Same context, same subject - contested convention. ehrnst Feb 2020 #83

Wrong, but again, re-litigating 2016 is not useful. DanTex Feb 2020 #85

You can keep copying and pasting "re-litigating" but that doesn't mean it has any relevance. ehrnst Feb 2020 #91

This is not a good look. showblue22 Feb 2020 #108

Like I said, I have no interest in re-litigating 2016. Different circumstances, as we all know. DanTex Feb 2020 #109

I'll tell you why it matters. showblue22 Feb 2020 #112

Different how? Codeine Feb 2020 #124

SDs exist to prevent another 72 and 84, so people who don't know about history prior to themaguffin Feb 2020 #36

"how about just let the voters have their say! And then whoever gets the most votes is the nominee! ehrnst Feb 2020 #131

Voters don't have a say: delegates do frazzled Feb 2020 #140

I love "Guarantees" with no proof! nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #27

2018 offers a little proof. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #42

Current polls show Bernie leading Trump! nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #44

Polling shows Sanders threatening downticket races. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #46

Such bullshit. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #19

You really dont get it or are you just pretending? honest.abe Feb 2020 #22

I'm sure he understands how he is coming off. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #37

JFC... SidDithers Feb 2020 #25

If Sanders has any actual political skills Codeine Feb 2020 #29

Exactly - OhZone Feb 2020 #34

Oh FFS! blm Feb 2020 #30

Candidate with 35% of votes - when split among bunch of candidates - shouldn't win first ballot. Hoyt Feb 2020 #38

Second ballot. Obviously the 35 candidate should be chosen over the 25. Because 35 is more than 25 DanTex Feb 2020 #50

"Obviously the 35 candidate should be chosen over the 25. Because 35 is more than 25" ehrnst Feb 2020 #127

No, the argument is the candidate that can meet the required threshold should win. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #39

"The responsibility that superdelegates have is to decide what is best for this country and what is ehrnst Feb 2020 #41

Oh well...gonna lose in a landslide if Sanders is the nominee anyway..At least helpisontheway Feb 2020 #45

NTSA. Every morning. Sigh. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #47

As Bernie himself observed, one needs a majority of the delegates comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #53

Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary IMO. DanTex Feb 2020 #54

Not relitigating 2016 at all. But I am allowed to point out comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #56

2016, a lot of things went down, different circumstances entirely. I prefer not to re-litigate. DanTex Feb 2020 #60

You prefer not to acknowledge the documented flip flop. ehrnst Feb 2020 #96

IOW "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain Codeine Feb 2020 #57

Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary. Different circumstance entirely. Let's move forward. DanTex Feb 2020 #58

Transparent. nt Codeine Feb 2020 #59

Moving forward in a united democratic fashion to defeat Trump. Yes, transparency is good. DanTex Feb 2020 #61

"Let the voters decide in a transparent manner" ehrnst Feb 2020 #99

Totally different, and you know it as well as I. But I'm not getting into 2016. DanTex Feb 2020 #100

How was it totally different? You can't make the case that it was... ehrnst Feb 2020 #110

In many ways that I don't want to re-litigate, because 2016 is behind us... DanTex Feb 2020 #111

It completely undermines your frantic defense of the strategy that will benefit your candidate ehrnst Feb 2020 #114

Undermines nothing. I'm just not re-litigating all that happened in 2016. Sorry! DanTex Feb 2020 #115

You keep copying and pasting the very same evasion, and can't ever back up your position ehrnst Feb 2020 #117

The dog whistle isn't working. It's just frantic copying and pasting now. ehrnst Feb 2020 #97

Not sure how you think it's a "dog whistle". 2016 was a different circumstance, everyone knows that DanTex Feb 2020 #98

It's just embarrassing for you. You can't defend your position on superdelegates ehrnst Feb 2020 #101

I guess we differ on who is being embarrassed. It happens lol... DanTex Feb 2020 #102

Well, you're the one backing a candidate who has directly contradicted ehrnst Feb 2020 #120

Dan.. look me in the eyes.. Peacetrain Feb 2020 #67

No rule change. It's just a matter of whether the delegates respect the will of the electorate. DanTex Feb 2020 #68

"will of the electorate" means 50%+. With less than 50%, there isn't "will of the electorate" AGeddy Feb 2020 #73

Will of the electorate means whoever got the most votes. Obviously. DanTex Feb 2020 #74

In a case where nobody is over 50%... then NO candidate has the "will of the electorate" AGeddy Feb 2020 #79

So you're saying "let the voters decide" or it's "obviously wrong, and nobody is going to buy it?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #105

"It's just a matter of whether the delegates respect the will of the electorate." ehrnst Feb 2020 #121

+1000 But good luck... ehrnst Feb 2020 #122

If the candidate who gets 25% can convince 25% more to join them, while the one with 35% can't... AGeddy Feb 2020 #70

What's funny about this thread is that if Bernie goes into the convention with 28% AGeddy Feb 2020 #75

Of course not. Whoever gets the most pledged delegates should be the nominee. DanTex Feb 2020 #77

"I wonder why anyone could possibly disagree" AGeddy Feb 2020 #80

Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary IMO. DanTex Feb 2020 #82

Best to remain consistent in your views of what "will of the electorate" means AGeddy Feb 2020 #84

I've been completely consistent. So has Bernie. DanTex Feb 2020 #86

I don't know about you personally, but Bernie most definitely has not AGeddy Feb 2020 #89

2016 was a different circumstance entirely, best not to re-litigate and move forward instead DanTex Feb 2020 #90

Yes, it was different in that Hillary won the MAJORITY of both the popular vote and delegates... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #93

No, it really wasn't. AGeddy Feb 2020 #94

How was it a different circumstance? You keep saying that but refuse to actually make the case. ehrnst Feb 2020 #107

LOL. EXTREMELY convenient. NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #119

That fact that you wonder that is on you. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #118

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #88

The DNC has almost nothing to do with it. AGeddy Feb 2020 #92

And it's done on a state by state basis by the State Democratic party. George II Feb 2020 #104

Hey!Why Not? aka-chmeee Feb 2020 #113

You don't seem to understand how coalitions work Bucky Feb 2020 #125

Sanders is a Super Delegate - right? JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #126

I'm already seeing lots of people say if the DNC OliverQ Feb 2020 #135