Democratic Primaries

ehrnst

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56. "And if the superdelegates don't respect the will of the voters, then the party fractures,"

Fri Feb 28, 2020, 01:49 PM

Feb 2020

You think?

On May 29, 2016, Sanders said superdelegates had the “very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump [is not] elected president of the United States. Vote for the strongest candidate.

And even as Clinton secured the Democratic nomination the following week, Sanders continued to push for superdelegates to vote to override Clinton’s pledged delegate majority.

Told on June 7, 2016, that his superdelegate convention push would defy history and the will of the voters, Sanders said, “Defying history is what this campaign has been about.”

Bernie Sanders pushed for a contested convention in 2016. Now he wants to avoid one. Feb 27, 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I believe that whoever gets the most votes will be the nominee. [View all] redgreenandblue Feb 2020 OP

66% of Democrats oppose Bernie bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #1

Not even close. DanTex Feb 2020 #4

Socialist. No other characteristic seems to have such a strong negative effect on electability. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #7

"New Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows Sanders's strength going head-to-head with rivals" DanTex Feb 2020 #8

And yet most of us still don't want him. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #12

Depends who you mean by "us". Democratic voters prefer Bernie to anyone else. DanTex Feb 2020 #34

No. It just means that the votes of those who don't want him are split between other candidates. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #37

Again, depends on who "us" is. Polls show that Bernie is the candidate that the most Dems DanTex Feb 2020 #38

Quit fucking insinuating I'm not a Democrat. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #39

Ten bucks says you dramatically fail to see the irony of your invocation of data into a sentence. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #41

You don't provide any data to support your claim. Got any? ehrnst Feb 2020 #48

If that were true, then Bernie would have a majority of delegates MineralMan Feb 2020 #46

Sorry DownriverDem Feb 2020 #9

Polls show Bernie beating Trump. Sorry, but it's true. DanTex Feb 2020 #10

Polls show other Dem candidates are beating Trump... ehrnst Feb 2020 #57

True. Could be closer to 70% aeromanKC Feb 2020 #33

Our nominee will be the person that gets the most votes at the convention. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #2

Yup. And that person will have won the popular vote in the primaries or Trump remains president. nt redgreenandblue Feb 2020 #3

Who doesn't plan to "vote blue no matter who" then? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #6

Calling voters "childish" is an extremely poor voter outreach strategy. DanTex Feb 2020 #11

You can't win over the indoctrinated. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #26

Calling voters "indoctrinated" is also a poor voter outreach strategy. DanTex Feb 2020 #27

It's a lot nicer than what Sanders supporters have been calling anyone they haven't indoctrinated. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #30

Petulant, self-righteous lectures are also a poor voter outreach strategy. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #43

As is a simplistic prophecy and calling it "polling data" LanternWaste Feb 2020 #42

You know what else is extremely poor voter outreach strategy? ehrnst Feb 2020 #55

"Vote for Bernie or else." HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #47

Exactly. Either this, or we get Trump again, and nobody wants Trump. DanTex Feb 2020 #5

If Bernie wins the nomination with just 35% of the vote showblue22 Feb 2020 #13

No rules changes. The superdelegates just need to respect the will of the electorate. DanTex Feb 2020 #14

The superdelegates not being able to vote as the wish is a rules change. showblue22 Feb 2020 #15

The superdelegates can vote as they wish, the question is how do they wish to vote. DanTex Feb 2020 #16

Ummm boston bean Feb 2020 #17

There is no winner until all votes are counted including superdelegates. showblue22 Feb 2020 #18

Correct. And if the superdelegates don't respect the will of the voters, then the party fractures, DanTex Feb 2020 #19

If Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Klobuchar pledge to Biden for example boston bean Feb 2020 #20

The delegates get to vote at the convention, not the candidates. DanTex Feb 2020 #21

Right. And if they go to Biden ias in my example boston bean Feb 2020 #23

Yes, and that would fracture the party. Because people can bang away all they want on twitter. DanTex Feb 2020 #25

"But at the end of the day, if the candidate with the most pledged delegates doesn't get the nom... ehrnst Feb 2020 #52

The will of the voters is not with someone with 35% of the vote. showblue22 Feb 2020 #22

If that's more than anyone else, then yes, it is. DanTex Feb 2020 #24

Delegates at the convention represent voters. showblue22 Feb 2020 #28

Hopefully, you're right, they will represent the voters, and respect the will of the electorate. DanTex Feb 2020 #29

In my opinion, Trump wins in a landslide against Bernie. showblue22 Feb 2020 #31

The data, of course, doesn't back that up. And in polls, most Dems say that Bernie DanTex Feb 2020 #32

And only four weeks ago you minimized, trivialized and dismissed polls as part of the conspiracy. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #45

Which data are you citing? ehrnst Feb 2020 #49

Take your pick. It all points the same way... DanTex Feb 2020 #50

Once the Rs drive up Bernie's negatives by focusing on his past words and positions redstateblues Feb 2020 #35

"Hopefully, you're right, they will represent the voters, and respect the will of the electorate." ehrnst Feb 2020 #51

Fortune cookies. You like them, yes? LanternWaste Feb 2020 #44

"And if the superdelegates don't respect the will of the voters, then the party fractures," ehrnst Feb 2020 #56

"Do they wish to vote for someone who got less delegates, and thereby ensure Trump's re-election by ehrnst Feb 2020 #53

What is the point of a 50% rule if it can be ignored? AGeddy Feb 2020 #40

"The superdelegates just need to respect the will of the electorate." ehrnst Feb 2020 #54

Your assessment is spot on. KPN Feb 2020 #36

Check the rules treestar Feb 2020 #58

Well, whoever gets a majority of votes AT THE CONVENTION will be, anyhow. MineralMan Feb 2020 #59

I wouldn't want to be the person... redgreenandblue Feb 2020 #60

Well, since it seems unlikely that anyone will have a majority of delegates MineralMan Feb 2020 #61