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169. James Clyburn thinks that sanders is like McGovern

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Fri Feb 28, 2020, 03:29 PM

Feb 2020

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With total respect, Bernie supporters haven't got a clue. I know because I supported McGovern [View all] Stuart G Feb 2020 OP

K&R. From another McGovern supporter. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #1

Here, too zeusdogmom Feb 2020 #14

Same here wryter2000 Feb 2020 #65

+ 1 billion grantcart Feb 2020 #74

TY grantcart. Live and learn. Hekate Feb 2020 #135

+1. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #105

yawn azureblue Feb 2020 #116

Exactly. KPN Feb 2020 #120

I hope you are correct! B Stieg Feb 2020 #150

He was / "Socialism" azureblue Feb 2020 #155

My first presidential election hangaleft Feb 2020 #141

Warren is so much more electable than Sanders is. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #146

You've hit some of the key reasons why I support Warren and want her to be our next president hangaleft Feb 2020 #152

If she were more electable, more people would be voting for her. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #178

People do not vote just based on perceived electability. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #192

That was my first presidential vote. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #158

Was McGovern consistently polling ahead of Nixon? DanTex Feb 2020 #2

Nixon was leading all the way by a wide margin. There's no reasonable comparison. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #18

Exactly Right Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #30

And McGovern's snowybirdie Feb 2020 #59

You just don't get it Butterflylady Feb 2020 #93

Nixon did not have this much oppo on MCGovern Gothmog Feb 2020 #94

Hmmm, Democrats working against Democrats Perseus Feb 2020 #107

sanders was such a weak candidate in 2016 that the Clinton campaign never used this oppo Gothmog Feb 2020 #112

Sorry Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #115

George McGovern was the ultra-liberal candidate in the 1972 primaries FakeNoose Feb 2020 #109

It was too soon after Chappaquiddick Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #131

Polling wasn't the major industry it is today. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #111

Yeah. It was a totally different situation and a different time. DanTex Feb 2020 #113

Another oddity though is that Nixon destroyed the front runner (Muskie) dawg day Feb 2020 #132

Bernie and McGovern are totally different candidates. Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #147

Hart says Sanders is no mcgovern 520to17 Feb 2020 #179

Here you go, found it for you. And Welcome to DU! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2020 #191

i can say with utmost confidence that this isn't 1972. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #3

Bernie will lose, McGovern lost. Stuart G Feb 2020 #6

my point is America of 1972 is not recognizable to America 2020. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #13

The America of 1972 was more liberal than today...we have less chance than McGovern. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #38

i agree. but that's a snapshot and discounts the trend of the body politic moving right. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #54

Compare wages, health care, union membership and pensions now to 1972. brewens Feb 2020 #181

And your data to backup your conclusion? Perseus Feb 2020 #89

+1 Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #11

Oops -- wrong post. Let me move it down one post. KPN Feb 2020 #45

After the Republicans got their asses handed to them by LBJ vs Goldwater 486-52 Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #4

16 years from Goldwater to Reagan. We're way past due for McGovern wing redemption. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #24

Precisely! Thank you for that! KPN Feb 2020 #42

Really...do we have the Senate...no. Do we have the majority of state governments...no. Did the Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #44

I believe Dems held the House, Senate, and majority of governorships when Reagan was elected. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #64

Centrist to this day my ass. brush Feb 2020 #138

The poster was being facetious. Celerity Feb 2020 #145

Calling The Race Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #5

You can think what you want. This is not defeatism, it is what it is. The truth. Stuart G Feb 2020 #10

Again Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #20

The experience I have gained in the last fifty years qualifies me to say calguy Feb 2020 #70

No black President until Obama DaDeacon Feb 2020 #83

Exactly Right Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #97

Obama won because of the strong black voter turnout, a minority of whites voted for him but it was Dream Girl Feb 2020 #98

Killer Mike says it best... DaDeacon Feb 2020 #103

Killer Mike Is Great Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #117

We only make up 12% of the population... mtron32 Feb 2020 #183

Once again that argument is no good anymore. Butterflylady Feb 2020 #108

Neither are we.... DaDeacon Feb 2020 #140

The Republican Party is what it's always been... mtron32 Feb 2020 #184

Sorry. Bernie is no Obama redstateblues Feb 2020 #157

And no Catholic until Kennedy! NT anamnua Feb 2020 #174

Obama was is a Dem, not a socialist, and he somethimes quoted Reagan. brush Feb 2020 #182

Could've fooled me mtron32 Feb 2020 #185

You mean Palin's dumbass crowds? They also called him a nazi and communist... brush Feb 2020 #188

Exactly, so why fret about it mtron32 Feb 2020 #190

Everyone thought the crook in the WH would not be elected, and there he is. Perseus Feb 2020 #99

I Agree Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #110

The only problem with your analysis is...... calguy Feb 2020 #124

This is the opposite of defeatism. We have a number of candidates superior in... TreasonousBastard Feb 2020 #167

It is a realistic view of Sander's chances of winning the EC. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #49

I base it on what I've lived thru in the past Butterflylady Feb 2020 #104

Same here, I was young and clueless Progressive dog Feb 2020 #7

When was that? 1972? bluewater Feb 2020 #8

Not a whole lot has changed...except this thought took 15 seconds to write and communicate pbmus Feb 2020 #17

That was such a devastating loss PatSeg Feb 2020 #9

I still remember how much I cried that election night 4now Feb 2020 #12

Bernie will NEVER be our nation's president. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #15

Better get used to President Sanders then OliverQ Feb 2020 #19

Bernie will NEVER be our nation's president. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #22

Lol, that's absolutely nonsense. OliverQ Feb 2020 #25

Bernie will NEVER be our nation's president. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #27

I'm not insulting you. OliverQ Feb 2020 #72

Can you really trust polls? SilasSouleII Feb 2020 #69

Bernie will never be elected. It's so sad and frustrating to see the blindness. Dream Girl Feb 2020 #100

People said the same thing about Trump. OliverQ Feb 2020 #122

Agreed. See post #37. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #142

+100 InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #33

It is not a president Sanders that we fear...it is that President Trump gets four more years. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #52

You are not alone in that belief. I also fear "President Trump" for four more years. Stuart G Feb 2020 #75

Seeing some similiar signs Wellstone ruled Feb 2020 #31

Comparing the McGovern election to today is just dishonest. OliverQ Feb 2020 #16

Here is how...Bernie looks radical. Socialism is a radical word Stuart G Feb 2020 #28

Obama was called a Radical Socialist for 8 years. OliverQ Feb 2020 #35

The difference is that Obama isn't a Socialist. It didn't stick. Bernie is a Socialist redstateblues Feb 2020 #47

Bernie isn't really a socialist either. OliverQ Feb 2020 #62

He calls himself some type of socialist, a lot uponit7771 Feb 2020 #133

Sorry but I don't Romberger Obama being called radical soialist Dream Girl Feb 2020 #134

Are you kidding? That was a staple at Fox news. They loved to call Obamacare socialism. progressoid Feb 2020 #160

I guess cause I don't watch Fox. Doubtful those folks were hard to persuade Dream Girl Feb 2020 #161

He has also spent a lifetime of painting the Democratic party as being "corrupt"... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #50

Yes, Bernie ......"has spent a lifetime of painting the Democratic party as being "corrupt"..." Stuart G Feb 2020 #186

Thank you. If we're explaining... then we're losing. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #187

DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #36

He doesn't stand a chance in the evertonfc Feb 2020 #21

Bloomberg has pledged to throw his support behind the nominee. So we'll see that 300 million... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #26

Hope Bloomberg doesn't read DU IADEMO2004 Feb 2020 #51

No amount of money will elect Sanders. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #53

If Bernie is McGovern, Biden is Mondale. denem Feb 2020 #23

this is such a boomer thread KayF Feb 2020 #29

No shit! Devil Child Feb 2020 #32

How many of the 2020 voters were not even born yet when this happened ? lunasun Feb 2020 #55

Maybe, but Boomers vote... Dream Girl Feb 2020 #101

Thank you so much for the insult. I really appreciate it. catbyte Feb 2020 #153

not meant that way at all KayF Feb 2020 #163

No comparison. These are dramatically different times and problems. McGovern didn't have the huge KPN Feb 2020 #34

It is not my view of Sanders , it is the view of the "middle of the road voter" that counts. Stuart G Feb 2020 #43

Sanders Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #119

The electorate has changed drastically since then. And opposition to the status quo... Garrett78 Feb 2020 #37

Nice crystal ball you have! Devil Child Feb 2020 #39

"With total respect"? And you follow that by saying people are clueless? redqueen Feb 2020 #40

The US will elect a sociopath before it elects a Socialist redstateblues Feb 2020 #41

It already has elected a "sociopath" and many of us knew it. Stuart G Feb 2020 #57

All Bernie needs is the Black and Hispanic vote - if he can get that he will easily win - walkingman Feb 2020 #46

That is nonsense...I don't see how anyone can say America is more progressive with a straight face. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #58

What I said was that "America is far more progressive than we were in 1972" - it is a fact. In 1972 walkingman Feb 2020 #118

You Are Correct Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #121

If that is true...then why doesn't America vote in a progressive way? And they don't. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #137

The nation on balance is staggeringly more progressive on certain issues Celerity Feb 2020 #144

An analogy if you will Zambero Feb 2020 #48

Duly noted... mikeysnot Feb 2020 #56

I watched Hillary lose in a close election. That was awful. Stuart G Feb 2020 #60

Elections are won by pluralities. FDR amd LBJ won, and accomplished a lot. empedocles Feb 2020 #61

If you think Obama had difficulty passing legislation bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #63

This is not 1972, Sanders isn't McGovern... Indepatriot Feb 2020 #66

One more point to consider..Bernie maybe "moderate", but he does not "look moderate." Stuart G Feb 2020 #67

One monumental definitely game changer that made it impossible Prosper Feb 2020 #68

"His ideas may be correct." Well, yes, they really are. So you are too afraid to even try in the Evolve Dammit Feb 2020 #71

++One of my favorite signs I have seen at Warren campaigns - Hope Over Fear lunasun Feb 2020 #128

As someone who did not support McGovern tiredtoo Feb 2020 #73

Totally accurate. But Jakes Progress Feb 2020 #76

No lees1975 Feb 2020 #77

To those citing polls as their savior. Jakes Progress Feb 2020 #81

Yep. I was there too. calimary Feb 2020 #78

And BS doesn't have McGovern's relatability. Squinch Feb 2020 #79

Don't be surprised if some BernieBros hit you with some snide age-ism. Paladin Feb 2020 #80

The hipocrcy is blinding DaDeacon Feb 2020 #92

Did you forget Trump won ? lunasun Feb 2020 #130

I worked for the McGovern campaign and you are completely wrong Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #82

Nixon resigned and his people went to prison IronLionZion Feb 2020 #84

Bernie has a chance to become president, only of the rest of the Democrats who do not Perseus Feb 2020 #85

Thank you, I have been trying to give people a history lesson wisteria Feb 2020 #86

Lordy. Jirel Feb 2020 #87

10000+ wisteria Feb 2020 #88

Thank you for posting this. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #90

"I think he would not just lose but would lose badly -- and I don't think the country can afford that Gothmog Feb 2020 #91

Yep!!!! What Stuart G said. Alliepoo Feb 2020 #95

One of the saddest things I have ever seen. DU already sucked into the disinformation campaign. warmfeet Feb 2020 #96

Damn Right Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #127

Different Time and Circumstances waterwatcher123 Feb 2020 #102

Holy oxymoron, Batman! BlueWI Feb 2020 #106

Sorry. Bernie may not be our best candidate ... Laelth Feb 2020 #114

Bernie is nothing like McGovern. ananda Feb 2020 #123

We didn't find out just how bad Nixon was TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #125

Yes because almost a half century ago is so very relevant, today. Autumn Feb 2020 #126

Frankly, though, maybe America deserves it dawg day Feb 2020 #129

You have no evidence to support this hypothesis Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #136

I campaigned for McGovern as a 9 year old kid. Zolorp Feb 2020 #139

You are right. krissey Feb 2020 #143

Even Kornacki said last night comparing this to the McGovern election is stupid. OliverQ Feb 2020 #148

The point isn't about how many states he'll lose, but that he will fail to energize the base maximusveritas Feb 2020 #170

The only person who has energized the base at all is Bernie. OliverQ Feb 2020 #171

You're missing the point again. If you're going to run on the far left, you have to do more maximusveritas Feb 2020 #172

Bernie is beating Trump with independents by 18 points. OliverQ Feb 2020 #173

Independents are not the middle either maximusveritas Feb 2020 #175

I voted for McGovern and I'm glad I did. Nitram Feb 2020 #149

OK Boomer ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #151

What is being sold, most voters do not want. democratisphere Feb 2020 #154

Some of our moderate candidates were not yet born when this happened IronLionZion Feb 2020 #156

Bernie presents himself as an "outsider" different than others. Like McGovern. Stuart G Feb 2020 #159

This is not 1972 jimlup Feb 2020 #162

You are very convincing that Bernie will not get 100% of the Vote Rilgin Feb 2020 #164

Sanders would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #165

Trump is salivating at the prospect of running against Sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #166

If the Russians want to re-elect Trump makes perfect sense they want Sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #168

James Clyburn thinks that sanders is like McGovern Gothmog Feb 2020 #169

if mcgovern is bernie then biden is mondale dumptrump1 Feb 2020 #176

You admit that you were wrong about George McGovern. totodeinhere Feb 2020 #177

you have absolutely no respect. admit it. juxtaposed Feb 2020 #180

Trump just said, "Bernie is the easiest to beat." [posted by highplainsdem) hit link below: Stuart G Feb 2020 #189

Exactly! MineralMan Feb 2020 #193