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Drunken Irishman

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39. I am uneasy electing anyone nowadays who doesn't have foreign policy experience.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 02:02 PM
Apr 2019

To be honest, the last five presidents who've entered office with the least amount of foreign policy experience have been arguably the worst when it comes to foreign policy outside maybe one - Bill Clinton.

It's not fair to compare Mayor Pete to, say, Trump or Bush or Reagan in that regard because their policies were reactionary and awful, but I feel it is fair to compare him to, say, Jimmy Carter, and while I respect the hell out of Jimmy Carter, he struggled mightily in the foreign policy arena and I think that was a direct result of the fact he didn't really have the experience of global affairs to handle the heat, which was realized with his overall handling of Iran and the Shah.

Clinton has been the exception of a governor who moved into the White House and handled things relatively okay. But Clinton also benefited from the lack of the Cold War, and while terrorism was increasingly becoming a problem, didn't have to face the post-9/11 landscape like Bush, Obama, Trump and whomever replaces Trump. I am not sure how he would've handled those responsibilities (but to be honest, I'm not sure if Clinton even gets elected if the Cold War doesn't end).

Ultimately, I don't doubt Pete could handle the domestic agenda of the country. I do have concerns about how he'd navigate his legislation in the halls of congress (this was something that killed Carter, as he butted heads a lot with Senate Democrats, specifically Ted Kennedy, despite having Walter Mondale, a respected senator, as his Veep - and really dinged Clinton early in his presidency as he failed to take advantage of total Democratic control of the congress when it came to passing healthcare reform or even his stimulus) and I believe that will be an important role for the next president. Obama was able to work well with House and Senate Democrats, for the most part, and it led to the most sweeping legislative accomplishments of any modern president.

But I think what helped him is he knew the game. He and Biden both knew how to play it because they had been in congress themselves. Carter and Clinton really didn't and it became apparent when they struggled with compromise and playing the game, and it cost 'em major legislative accomplishments - despite having respected former senators as their veeps.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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kamala won in a blue state but most states are red. so much for her chances lol nt msongs Apr 2019 #1
Right and it is my opinion she loses a general. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #33
that's why he is running for president instead of statewide just like Beto JI7 Apr 2019 #2
He was a mayor...did not win a house seat. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #34
house seats are not statewide elections either. JI7 Apr 2019 #35
The Media Rarely Points Out That Pete is Mayor of a College Town in Indiana n/t Indykatie Apr 2019 #3
South Bend is not a college town dsc Apr 2019 #4
For all intents and purposes it is...it's right there. The whole area and surrounding towns it's UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #12
It's fun to be wrong! aidbo Apr 2019 #13
It's not that much of a college town. marylandblue Apr 2019 #17
by that definition pretty much any city is a college town dsc Apr 2019 #20
Really. Blue_true Apr 2019 #5
Like California? Renew Deal Apr 2019 #6
I think the idea is that he won in the Northern Indiana Rust Belt marylandblue Apr 2019 #7
Hillary won the area he is mayor of also JI7 Apr 2019 #8
Sure but he did a lot better than she did, while other area Democrats marylandblue Apr 2019 #9
kick Dawson Leery Apr 2019 #10
Pete ran for State Treasurer... SidDithers Apr 2019 #11
then he didn't do better than Hillary statewide at all JI7 Apr 2019 #14
Hillary did not run in Indiana in 2010 Celerity Apr 2019 #16
in 2010, a horrid year for Democrats nationwide, every IN statewide race was a Rethug blowout Celerity Apr 2019 #15
Agreed. I live in Salt Lake... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #18
save for the fact South Bend is not a college town per se. Celerity Apr 2019 #19
A lot of college downs have large minority populations... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #37
The University of Alabama has more minority students than the entire total enrolment of Notre Dame Celerity Apr 2019 #38
I am uneasy electing anyone nowadays who doesn't have foreign policy experience. Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #40
I'm not sure why this point has any bearing on anything significant. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #21
Thumbs up Lefta Dissenter Apr 2019 #26
+1 Kurt V. Apr 2019 #30
Your point would be valid.. . Socal31 Apr 2019 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #28
Nobody said it was red.... Socal31 Apr 2019 #32
Because "Democratic" always equals "progressive"? brooklynite Apr 2019 #23
His style of campaigning gets conservatives to be more open to liberal policies IronLionZion Apr 2019 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #29
South Bend is a college town Gothmog Apr 2019 #25
So is Lynchburg, VA (home of Liberty University) brooklynite Apr 2019 #31
No it isn't unless Columbus Ohio is too dsc Apr 2019 #36
Two of the top four employers in South Bend are universities... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #41
Columbus' largest employer is Ohio State dsc Apr 2019 #42
It is the 2nd largest employer in South Bend... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #43
Nice try! Nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #27
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