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In reply to the discussion: The absurdity of the "Bernie wrote the rules" talking point. [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)69. Bernie helped to draft the rules that he's complaining are "unfair."
He worked to neuter Superdelegates by banishing them from the first round of voting, but keeping their participation in a brokered convention. Not surprising, as historical record shows, Superdelegates have not done what told them to do.
The decision to relegate superdelegates now called automatic delegates to the second ballot in a contested convention consumed the DNC for nearly two years after the 2016 election. Superdelegates overwhelmingly sided with Hillary Clinton, infuriating Sanders supporters.
The rule change was widely viewed as a major victory for the Democratic Partys left flank. At the time, Perez called the delegate overhaul historic, while progressive Democrats and many moderates lauded its appeal to young voters skeptical of centralized party power.
The rule change was widely viewed as a major victory for the Democratic Partys left flank. At the time, Perez called the delegate overhaul historic, while progressive Democrats and many moderates lauded its appeal to young voters skeptical of centralized party power.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083
It appears he assumed there would be little to no competition this time around, so a brokered convention wasn't a scenario that he anticipated.
He assumed incorrectly, and now he's upset that the very rules he worked to change to give him more of an advantage against Superdelegates won't give him an advantage at all, and in fact give Superdelegates (who, as history shows, have in the past not complied with his directives) in the current scenario a specific directive to determine, in a brokered convention, who the best candidate will be.
On May 29, 2016, Sanders said superdelegates had the very grave responsibility to make sure that Trump [is not] elected president of the United States. Vote for the strongest candidate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/20/bernie-sanders-pushed-contested-convention-2016-now-he-wants-avoid-one/
Where do you propose "blame" for Bernie's frustration lies, if not with Bernie?
Face the facts already.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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The media's Bernie-bashing is indeed silly. And it's ramped up a lot since he took the lead in polls
DanTex
Feb 2020
#4
It's BEYOND silly... hopefully, it'll end once President Sanders is inaugurated!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#52
Oh, no. I am so sorry. And I am guessing there is no knowing when his next one could be.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#31
But as I have said before, he has the freakish good luck of the truly evil. He may very
Squinch
Feb 2020
#35
I'm telling the truth. Some anonymous person calls me a liar? LOL. Yeah, that happens.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#7
Then post the up-and-down votes that you refer to that Sanders and his minority lost.
W_HAMILTON
Feb 2020
#28
Exactly. And now people want to blame Bernie for exactly the thing he didn't want.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#41
If Bernie doesn't get the most pledged delegates, he shouldn't and won't be the nominee.
DanTex
Feb 2020
#12
No, I mean the most. It would be suicidal to give the nomination to someone who got even less
DanTex
Feb 2020
#15
And are willing to "Fracture the Party" if the rules aren't broken for them nt
sweetloukillbot
Feb 2020
#19
"It would be suicidal to give the nomination to someone who got even less delegates."
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#43
Um. He was arguing that he should get the votes of superdels *for states that he won*...
JudyM
Feb 2020
#61
No, Superdelegates are 'unpledged" delegates - and not the delegates from the states.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#62
Nope. Not the same thing as a 'pledged delegate." And if they do serve as a pledged delegate, they
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#64
"If Bernie doesn't get the most pledged delegates, he shouldn't and won't be the nominee."
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#44
Everyone knows the "evolution" of the rules between the last primary and today.
George II
Feb 2020
#17
I was a Hillary supporter in 2016, and Obama in 2008, and I've been against superdelegates
DanTex
Feb 2020
#55