Democratic Primaries

PatSeg

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22. He's been selling the same old tired

Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:41 PM

Mar 2020

platitudes for years now and some of it is losing its relevance. I've been following Sanders long enough to know, not much of it has changed, but it could be new and revolutionary to some voters. Times change, some politicians don't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie Sanders argues Joe Biden and 'establishment' ignored working- and middle-class voters [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 OP

The working class voters of SC seem to have disagreed rather emphatically. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #1

Voters vary by States. When was the last time SC went Democratic in a Presidential Election? n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #2

Right, so they're not important. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #7

Don't put words into my mouth Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #13

Your intent was clear. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #18

Well said.. I've seen it time and time again and it Cha Mar 2020 #29

To be fair BlueWI Mar 2020 #52

Not entirely true. After IA and NH, Bernie peeps went on a no hold spree telling everyone Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #74

That's a fancy way to dismiss Iowa and NH BlueWI Mar 2020 #91

I didn't say any of that. What I said was that it wasn't the be all end all that so many Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #95

The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class Cha Mar 2020 #28

This again? mcar Mar 2020 #61

The times they are a changing sheshe2 Mar 2020 #110

There goes that name again. . . . Iliyah Mar 2020 #3

+1 nt Skidmore Mar 2020 #99

Calling other Democrats "establishment" PatSeg Mar 2020 #4

bernie has lived off the taxpayers for many decades, becoming a multi millionaire thanks to that... msongs Mar 2020 #5

He's been selling the same old tired PatSeg Mar 2020 #22

He's right. The establishment has let working class voters down. Fran2020 Mar 2020 #6

Bernie is the establishment, dware Mar 2020 #10

Bernie is not the establishment. The establishment wants to stop him. Fran2020 Mar 2020 #21

You can spin it all you want, dware Mar 2020 #25

Not spin. Bernie is anti-establishment. The establishment wants to stop him. Fran2020 Mar 2020 #39

LOL. dware Mar 2020 #44

And just for the record, dware Mar 2020 #45

YAWN awesomerwb1 Mar 2020 #77

FDR was a free trader and a capitalist showblue22 Mar 2020 #50

Gas lighting is rude uponit7771 Mar 2020 #93

And joe hasn't? DiverDave Mar 2020 #109

LOL. dware Mar 2020 #112

Sure he has DiverDave Mar 2020 #113

Lol FDR was a reform capitalist who ran on a balanced budget policy grantcart Mar 2020 #23

FDR was VERY ESTABLISHMENT. OhZone Mar 2020 #35

We constantly see the modern re-creation of what FDR was and like a lot of Bernie's Blue_true Mar 2020 #68

FDR values? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #38

New Deal values. Economic progressive values. Fran2020 Mar 2020 #40

The New Deal Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #41

No. The economic values of taking on the wealthy class and supporting Fran2020 Mar 2020 #42

What Democrats don't support Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #43

Good question mcar Mar 2020 #64

I'm only aware of one campaign that attacked a union recently. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #65

Biden's very first fundraiser included a union-busting law firm. progressoid Mar 2020 #103

And what actions has Biden taken to bust unions Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #104

You asked, "What Democrats don't support workers and unions?" progressoid Mar 2020 #105

No that is guilt by association Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #106

Call it what you like but progressoid Mar 2020 #107

I call it what it is Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #111

So the Japanese were imprisoned simply for being Japanese and their Blue_true Mar 2020 #71

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #75

With the backdrop of the Depression treestar Mar 2020 #89

There is a substantial element of Bernie's core support that relishes the collapse of society, Blue_true Mar 2020 #98

Not true. They held me up during the Great Recession with... Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #56

Funny how Sanders supporters mcar Mar 2020 #63

You apparently haven't even bothered to awesomerwb1 Mar 2020 #79

+1 Meadowoak Mar 2020 #81

So, right after he trashes Democrats... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #8

So, apparently President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden were ignoring... Sloumeau Mar 2020 #9

+10000 emmaverybo Mar 2020 #14

That's why he wanted to primary them in 2012 grantcart Mar 2020 #16

Bernie had a different tune in 2016. squirecam Mar 2020 #60

4 years was a long time ago politically speaking peequod Mar 2020 #80

Sheesh - so now AA aren't part of the working or middle-class??? WTF? jmg257 Mar 2020 #11

"South Carolina doesn't matter because we won't win it in November." TwilightZone Mar 2020 #12

Tired of all talking points Walleye Mar 2020 #31

That is so damned illogical treestar Mar 2020 #88

It's how he thinks. And how he thinks is a problem. He stereotypes AA people. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #15

I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt. jmg257 Mar 2020 #19

Of course African Americans are part of the middle-class. Just a much smaller part. progressoid Mar 2020 #108

. Squinch Mar 2020 #17

Neither Sanders nor his supporters.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #20

True dat Walleye Mar 2020 #32

Actually, some Democrats don't mind this message. BlueWI Mar 2020 #54

Maybe some don't... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #57

Maybe some don't? BlueWI Mar 2020 #66

I'll vote for him in the GE if he gets the nom.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #96

1+ dustyscamp Mar 2020 #58

I think they do understand, and they are issuing a big FU to people who have worked hard for Democra still_one Mar 2020 #78

+1, uponit7771 Mar 2020 #94

Sanders is factually wrong and why I dislike him so. Democrats have been fighting for all the stuff LizBeth Mar 2020 #24

Has Bernie ever held a job? evertonfc Mar 2020 #26

I think he was a carpenter at one time, dware Mar 2020 #27

A handy man, and lousy at it. Even this little job he made more of a title of it than what it is. LizBeth Mar 2020 #34

Thanks, dware Mar 2020 #36

He says writer, but that would be the guy mag that discussed rape fantasy. Also worked a small LizBeth Mar 2020 #46

Like Jesue? Me. Mar 2020 #49

LOL. nt dware Mar 2020 #67

He was a shitty carpenter that could not pay his bills. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #72

Blatant lies. I've been a working middle class voter Hortensis Mar 2020 #30

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #48

As Part Of The Establishment Himself, What Has He Done...Effectively? Me. Mar 2020 #33

Not a damned thing. nt dware Mar 2020 #37

"I'm part of the Democratic leadership" but somehow not part of the establishment. betsuni Mar 2020 #47

Union member of the working class for Biden mzmolly Mar 2020 #51

Mahalo, mzmolly! Cha Mar 2020 #83

Hi Cha!! mzmolly Mar 2020 #100

Well, this working class hero can tell you Lunabell Mar 2020 #53

This thread. I swear. Laelth Mar 2020 #55

That's not what Bernie said in 2016. squirecam Mar 2020 #59

Wow. Thank you for the reminder! betsuni Mar 2020 #76

Why doesn't Bernie take on Republicans? mcar Mar 2020 #62

Looks like hammering democrats is more fun for some reason. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #73

So much for the pledge mcar Mar 2020 #85

Bernie seems to be conditional, what works for him is ok. Blue_true Mar 2020 #97

He's more right than he is wrong. ArtTownsend Mar 2020 #69

No he is Not. Cha Mar 2020 #84

Tilting at windmills NYMinute Mar 2020 #70

His proclamations never come true. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2020 #86

He has not treestar Mar 2020 #87

Bernie IS establishment. How can he pretend to be anything else? Evergreen Emerald Mar 2020 #90

How many more times is he allowed to get away Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #92

Ignored them?? Doreen Mar 2020 #101

This once middle class then paycheck to paycheck class now LakeArenal Mar 2020 #102