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kurtcagle

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40. Reasoning on Biden
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 10:33 PM
Mar 2020

California may very well go Sanders, though I have a feeling that the Undecideds likely have held off voting enough that it's not necessarily a slam dunk that early voting will sway the day. However, longer term, I still contend that Bernie does not benefit from Covid-19 as much as Biden will. First, for all that Sanders has the more progressive agenda, Biden simply has the experience of dealing with this kind of situation before, with the Ebola response. Biden has also been the voice of calm and reason throughout the election, and people respond to that far more than they necessarily respond to a given platform.

Something like Covid-19 is, to put it bluntly, scary. I am a 56 year old man who's had two heart attacks, and the thought that there's a virus out there with the primary symptom of reducing air-flow to the lungs and heart is a terrifying prospect to someone who lives daily with shortness of breath. I will want someone who I know is competent in charge, not necessarily someone who makes grandiose aspirations but has little experience in actually implementing those, because I am quite literally putting my life into that person's hands.

I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries. By the time the convention came around, I'd had a chance to see how his staff functioned, who he surrounded himself with, and how they reacted in a crisis. I was not impressed. I'm seeing the same thing this time around; he's not able to control his message, his agents have a cocky arrogance to them that reminds me very uncomfortably of Trump's appointees, and there's no humility to the man.

In 2008, we had a similar crisis going on. Bush was more or less AWOL as the stock market melted down, and Obama and John McCain were battling at after Obama secured the nomination. I was considering McCain, as I'm sure a lot of people were, but what made the difference for me was McCain's selection of Sarah Palin, which showed to me that McCain was not willing to buck his party if he needed to, and Obama essentially abandoning the campaign trail to meet with key people in government and Wall Street to turn things around. He showed real leadership, even at the cost of missing out on what could have been critical rallies.

I can see Biden doing that. He WAS doing that, right alongside Obama. McCain just looked lost, and I think that's what ultimately lost the election for him.

People my age remember that. They remember Obama rolling up his shirtsleeves and wading in, damn the consequences, remember Biden being there to act as Devil's advocate and executive officer. It's why I think that the Coronavirus will prove to be Biden's defining moment. It's possible Bernie will rise to the fore instead, but my read on him is that he's an ideologue, someone so fixated upon his vision that he fails to see the real problems around him, and that at the end of the day he will have trouble responding to the crises that test ANY president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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After Super Tuesday squirecam Mar 2020 #1
Agreed. greytdemocrat Mar 2020 #3
There are only 2 candidates with sufficient support among key constituencies to be considered viable Garrett78 Mar 2020 #2
Yep squirecam Mar 2020 #4
As long as Bloomberg is in the race he can spend money to attack Trump. lynintenn Mar 2020 #28
Let's go with your " Snowball effect: bad loss leads to bad loss..." LanternWaste Mar 2020 #41
Great Point... rogerballard Mar 2020 #5
Most of the remaining candidates will have dropped out long before April 1. Garrett78 Mar 2020 #6
Must have a Crystal Ball... rogerballard Mar 2020 #7
Don't need one. I've been following elections for a long time. Garrett78 Mar 2020 #8
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #10
See post #2. This is just how these things go. Every time. Garrett78 Mar 2020 #11
Sir Yes Sir rogerballard Mar 2020 #12
Super Tues is the line. xmas74 Mar 2020 #30
I don't see Bloomberg dropping out until after NY primary in April. 2nd to CA in delegates. lynintenn Mar 2020 #29
Bernie will lead after Super Tuesday. StocktonNative Mar 2020 #9
+1 PuffedMica Mar 2020 #16
Lol. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #18
I'm with you. cwydro Mar 2020 #33
California is proprtional kurtcagle Mar 2020 #13
How would COVID-19 help Biden more? His voters skew far older, thus far more likely Celerity Mar 2020 #14
I think they were implying that virus fear-based voters would prefer a Biden over a Sanders n/t mikelgb Mar 2020 #23
but they said Biden would benefit Celerity Mar 2020 #24
Maybe because he attracts older crowds, xmas74 Mar 2020 #31
the deadlines for absentee ballots were before COVID-19 came truly to the fore nt Celerity Mar 2020 #32
CA have vote by mail so they don't have to go out dsc Mar 2020 #37
I think you're inferring rather than anyone else implying n/t, part II LanternWaste Mar 2020 #42
The older people I know are not going to be scared off from voting by this virus. cwydro Mar 2020 #35
Reasoning on Biden kurtcagle Mar 2020 #40
I think CA is not going to be a huge delegate gain for Sanders. honest.abe Mar 2020 #15
I think it will be too.. a very good haul of delegates for him Peacetrain Mar 2020 #34
Dumb question: If, after Super Tues., Amy, Pete, and/or Elizabeth drop out, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #17
They will be locked out... Moderateguy Mar 2020 #19
Bloomberg will just bribe the doorman to let him in. n/g zackymilly Mar 2020 #21
No, Bloomberg will approach the doorman and start coughing. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #39
Serious answer Moderateguy Mar 2020 #20
+1 Celerity Mar 2020 #25
Thanks underpants Mar 2020 #27
Thank you. Although, the vision of them banging on the door might be entertaining. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #36
they go to the convention pledged to their candidate on the first ballot dsc Mar 2020 #38
LA County alone many a good man Mar 2020 #22
Especially Not When They're Caucuses Me. Mar 2020 #26
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