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78. I'd support regulated borders

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 02:43 PM

Apr 2019

I have no problem with immigrants, but in a capitalist society large in-migration is used to depress wages and create an underclass of highly exploited workers. Regulating immigration is one tool to regulate labor markets to keep wages and working conditions acceptable overall.

Illegal immigration makes this worse, so I'd support raising the legal limits.

Until the economic and political situation in Mexico and Central America improves, there will always be pressure to migrate to the USA. Focusing on economic development and improving governance (less crime and corruption) would help here. Nobody should be compelled to leave their homeland due to poverty or fear of violence.

Immigration is an administrative issue. Immigrants (even ones without legal status) should not be treated as criminals. The focus should be on employers using immigration status to treat employees poorly. Employers do not have the right to hire the cheapest possible labor regardless of the consequences.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Do you support open borders? [View all] Voltaire2 Apr 2019 OP

No. Can't have open borders. democratisphere Apr 2019 #1

Why not? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #2

Can't have anybody and everybody just coming into the country democratisphere Apr 2019 #5

So if we could screen out all terrorists Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #6

No. I said you need controls and vetting. democratisphere Apr 2019 #8

So you agree with Sanders. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #9

No Sanders says we can't take poor people. I do not agree with that. . Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22

No actually he didn't say that. Please provide a quote of Sanders saying we can't allow any poor Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #38

Here you go. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #49

That does not say "no poor people allowed". Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #53

The opening statement is 'there is a lot of poverty in the world'.,. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #58

I actually disagree with you, it might be poorly worded but I don't think his intent is what you've Agschmid Apr 2019 #59

Poorly worded always the defense when someone simply refuses to believe what is Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61

I understand his intent as not supporting open borders. Agschmid Apr 2019 #64

There is a vast difference between open borders and Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #84

Nobody said they supported not accepting the poor. Agschmid Apr 2019 #96

I think that he was pointing out that since the biggest motivator for people to rgbecker Apr 2019 #66

Sen . Sanders lumped himself in with Trump with the idea that we not take the poor. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #85

So to you that means no poor people can immigrate to the US? Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #75

That is what it means...too many poor will come and we can't handle this . This is what Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #82

He was pretty clear Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #74

It is what he said.You all twist yourself in knots trying to change the meaning. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #83

He said we would be overrun because the world is full of poor people Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #89

Well that is so different yes sarcasm. His empathy is underwhelming. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #90

Now lets... Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #95

I am in no way saying he is right. Doreen Apr 2019 #80

Yes it is wrong. This is America and immigrants make us stronger. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #81

Or Worse! atreides1 Apr 2019 #27

No. Like Vikings and Barbarians worse. democratisphere Apr 2019 #92

They came on planes and that sounds like the right wing. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #86

We should be able to vet people entering. Blue_true Apr 2019 #19

Your idea is reasonable and makes sense. democratisphere Apr 2019 #41

And perhaps being poor should not disqualify candidates. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #87

We already are overrun with the wealthiest. democratisphere Apr 2019 #93

Not sure what you mean. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #94

Definitely should not. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #99

Nope. Agschmid Apr 2019 #3

Why not? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #4

Regulation at the points of entry is important for lots of reasons. Agschmid Apr 2019 #10

So even with border control how about Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #11

I didn't say I supported that in any way. Agschmid Apr 2019 #12

I just trying to figure out if anyone here Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #13

No not really curious at all. Agschmid Apr 2019 #14

Conceptually I do. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #16

Until the entire world joins in to such a policy, those allowing unregulated entry rgbecker Apr 2019 #69

which was exactly Sanders point. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #70

I do not think you're trying to figure anything out. LanternWaste Apr 2019 #23

Er no, I'm trying to understand the curious outrage. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #34

Nope. applegrove Apr 2019 #7

No. "What we need is comprehensive immigration reform" Autumn Apr 2019 #15

OM GERD!1! Just like teh looooo dobbbbbbbs!1! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #18

No, I don't. You can't have open borders. SKKY Apr 2019 #17

This. "common sense, compassionate immigration" MH1 Apr 2019 #44

I think they're two sides of the same coin... SKKY Apr 2019 #62

Good questions on this thread Voltaire. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #20

No blue cat Apr 2019 #21

That's rather vague. Define "open borders," with terms that the GOP does not use.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #24

Borders are more important than people. LanternWaste Apr 2019 #25

Stop trying to make open borders happen. betsuni Apr 2019 #26

Does anyone? happybird Apr 2019 #28

Not sure what that means treestar Apr 2019 #29

It means more or less no immigration restrictions. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #35

No. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #30

So what limits would you put on immigration? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #47

This conversation is suited for GD. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #56

I don't know any rational person who does. brooklynite Apr 2019 #31

Nobody I know does. Agschmid Apr 2019 #60

I support greatly expanding legal immigration. comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #32

This. nt Skidmore Apr 2019 #40

But not unlimited immigration, right? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #46

This is dumb. Iggo Apr 2019 #33

why? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #37

No Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #36

Theoretically, yes. Practically? It's not practical. MineralMan Apr 2019 #39

Yeah I agree on the theoretical vs practical. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #42

But nobody is actually in favor of that. It's a false premise MineralMan Apr 2019 #63

Nope, right wing libertarians like the Koch brothers are openly advocating it. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #73

Without knowing it exactly, I support Obama's policy. CTyankee Apr 2019 #43

Not an open border policy. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #45

Of course! It would be crazy for us not to have regulations with regards to the border. CTyankee Apr 2019 #48

lol fail ! stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #50

so do you support open borders? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #55

No Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #51

Define zipplewrath Apr 2019 #52

Minimally: unrestricted immigration. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #54

Nope zipplewrath Apr 2019 #57

Open Borders is one of Trump's two word fascist newspeak slogans. Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 #65

Well sort of but Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #71

where does this stuff come from? stillcool Apr 2019 #67

I think our inability to answer your question speaks volumes about the Democratic Party. marylandblue Apr 2019 #68

Yup. Afraid to take a stand, we get our stand taken for us. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #72

One of the main reasons I do not support Sanders. He's too America First Hoyt Apr 2019 #77

Your idea is good also. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #88

Yes ck4829 Apr 2019 #76

I'd support regulated borders DBoon Apr 2019 #78

"Open Borders" Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #79

Does any industrialized country have open borders? nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #91

Apparently some of the EU member nations have open borders Hortensis Apr 2019 #97

within the EU they have open borders between member nations. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #98