Democratic Primaries

zipplewrath

(16,698 posts) Mon Mar 2, 2020, 09:08 PM Mar 2020

Liberals/progressives have to be honest with themselves [View all]

We are a minority in the democratic party. We don't control it and if fact we cannot win without the support of moderates/centrists/establishments. The DCCC, DSCC, and elements within the DNC will work actively to suppress our candidates and to prevent them from being elected. I'm not sure where we go from here because of course 3rd party is a non-starter. The moderates ultimately will become "Reagan democrats" or "Obama/Trump" democrats to ensure that far left/progressive candidates don't win. Until we find the candidate that has the personality/image characteristics that overcome the fears of the centrists, we won't win. The preference of democrats is to pursue liberal objectives through conservative means. And election after election that is made clear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Liberals/progressives have to be honest with themselves [View all] zipplewrath Mar 2020 OP

Yup. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #1

Drivel DURHAM D Mar 2020 #2

Ridiculous nonsense - Obama/Trump Democrats bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #3

They exist zipplewrath Mar 2020 #5

That is total nonsense! There are no Obama/Trump Democrats bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #11

Um, they do zipplewrath Mar 2020 #25

and KY RazBerryBeret Mar 2020 #35

Oh. Democrats that voted for Trump bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #42

There are FAR more Democrats... tarheelsunc Mar 2020 #41

Roughly the same problem zipplewrath Mar 2020 #45

... HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #4

Some cheese with your whine? brooklynite Mar 2020 #6

+1 Cha Mar 2020 #7

LOL onetexan Mar 2020 #12

It's a call for acknowledging reality zipplewrath Mar 2020 #16

Ok squirecam Mar 2020 #71

WTF is an "Obama/Trump democrat"??? Squinch Mar 2020 #8

People who voted for both zipplewrath Mar 2020 #10

That was because of race. betsuni Mar 2020 #44

The opposite is true too - centrists need liberals to win. BlueWI Mar 2020 #9

All of the Democratic candidates are liberals. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #13

Through conservative means zipplewrath Mar 2020 #21

A dynamic personality with Sanders' agenda Codeine Mar 2020 #14

Could be zipplewrath Mar 2020 #17

The urge to vote safely is a strong one. Codeine Mar 2020 #19

I'm of the belief it's Trumps to lose zipplewrath Mar 2020 #23

Depends on how "progressive" you want to be. Dems aren't Labour Azathoth Mar 2020 #15

Sorta my point zipplewrath Mar 2020 #18

That is because the path you want to take will lead to nothing dansolo Mar 2020 #33

Because the majority won't support it zipplewrath Mar 2020 #52

The majority of the country would not support it. squirecam Mar 2020 #72

BS! No one is suppressing your candidates. kwenu Mar 2020 #20

Not exactly suppressing zipplewrath Mar 2020 #22

That's the definition of democracy. The majority prevents the minority from winning elections. AGeddy Mar 2020 #26

Exactly zipplewrath Mar 2020 #39

Complaining that it is unfair that you are minority of voters is a bad look AGeddy Mar 2020 #24

Kinda what I'm saying zipplewrath Mar 2020 #28

Ok, I misread your post AGeddy Mar 2020 #32

Lolololoolol evertonfc Mar 2020 #27

Well, the difference between Biden and Warren zipplewrath Mar 2020 #29

Simple. Run a candidate that make sense Moderateguy Mar 2020 #30

Well, that's an opinion zipplewrath Mar 2020 #36

Please don't equate liberals w/ progressives. The difference is getting starker by the day wyldwolf Mar 2020 #31

Point taken zipplewrath Mar 2020 #34

"solid left leaning methods to achieve liberals goals" - you want special treatment? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #38

No zipplewrath Mar 2020 #40

I'm a proud liberal mcar Mar 2020 #37

I'm happy for you zipplewrath Mar 2020 #43

It's true for anyone who doesn't fit neatly into one of the major popular narratives... k2qb3 Mar 2020 #46

No one is making anyone vote against your preferred candidates RandySF Mar 2020 #47

But they do work to ensure they fail zipplewrath Mar 2020 #51

Yes, I'm sorry, it does require more one gets more votes than the other. RandySF Mar 2020 #53

Funny, the only place in my daily life I'm told I'm not a liberal... GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #48

you're in the majority zipplewrath Mar 2020 #50

A social democrat is what Sanders actually is.His foolish self labeling as a democratic socialist is Celerity Mar 2020 #57

I respectfully disagree. The DSA platform calls for the eventual collective ownership of industry GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #58

This reply is in my own self-defence, and deffo should not be taken as some sort of Sanders support Celerity Mar 2020 #62

Voting for a status quo candidate like Biden is just a rubber stamp vote to many of us. CentralMass Mar 2020 #49

I feel pretty disappointed tonight, seems like a rubber stamp to me too. Bluepinky Mar 2020 #55

Well, there is a place for if you want there to be. GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #59

Thank you. I don't see it as an attack. Bluepinky Mar 2020 #64

Politics of the possible is not sexy or exciting. But we have to deal with the reality we have. GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #65

And Bernie seem like the wishful thinking choice to me... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #63

There ere a lot of Dems who stayed home in 2016, but not so much for the reason you said. napi21 Mar 2020 #54

Yup. A small fish in a big pond. Bluepinky Mar 2020 #56

If a certain section is a small minority NCProgressive Mar 2020 #60

Not sure zipplewrath Mar 2020 #68

His proven ceiling is 28% NCProgressive Mar 2020 #69

By most standards,Biden is fairly progressive. kurtcagle Mar 2020 #61

DLCeeeeeeeeee! DLCeeeeeeee! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #67

... NCProgressive Mar 2020 #70

Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #66

... LexVegas Mar 2020 #73

Maybe you should get behind progressives like Katie Porter or Pressley instead Blue_true Mar 2020 #74