Liberals/progressives have to be honest with themselves

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21. Through conservative means

It's why Gitmo still exists, it took democratic support to prevent Obama from closing it, even though he AND McCain advocated closing it. It's why we have the bankruptcy laws we have. The "Blue Dogs" were why we didn't have a Public Option. These people are "super delegates" and influence legislation as well as the choices and actions that the DCCC and the DSCC as well as the DNC take. Don't think for a minute that these people aren't making calls to Kolbuchar and Buttiggeg campaigns to influence them, which of course is their right and to some sense their obligation as part of doing what they believe is right. But the point is that this is the majority of the party, and possibly the electorate in general and Liberals have to start to acknowledge this.