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In reply to the discussion: 2020 presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders relaunches his Medicare-for-all health care [View all]Uncle Joe
(65,338 posts)29. In regards to progressive health care reform, the CBO has it shortcomings,
the picture they paint is incomplete.
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The CBO doesnt follow the simple logic of only considering something part of the federal budget if it is directly paid for by the federal government. Nor does the CBO follow the basic logic of considering private activity part of the federal budget if it is required by federal law, like via an individual/employer mandate. Instead, the CBO considers health care reform an essentially government program if it crosses some arbitrary line of too much regulation.
According to a 2009 CBO paper on the topic, insurance purchased through exchanges or in the private marketshould be classified as federal revenues if there is an individual mandate and tight government control of the insurance market, but not part of the federal budget if there is an individual mandate and an active, loosely restricted private market, and if premiums are paid through nongovernmental exchanges or directly to insurers.
In effect the CBO believes the government forcing you to pay premiums to insurance companies doesnt make those premiums effectively a tax. But if the government also requires that private health insurance to actually be good, then it would be.
(snip)
CBOs weird decision about what is or is not too much regulation was extremely detrimental to the ACA and is responsible for one of the changes made to the law during drafting. Senators initially wanted to require that 90 percent of premium dollars had to be spent on actual care a medical loss ratio, which again, is well below international norms. The CBO wrote them a letter warning them that this regulation would push the ACA over their imaginary line. The CBO would have considered the entire insurance market part of the federal budget if that regulation was included. Thus legislators decided they would only use a medical loss ratio of 80-85 percent a move that ended up actually costing the government significantly more.
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http://healthoverprofit.org/2019/01/09/cbo-will-score-all-health-reform-plans-as-nationalization/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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2020 presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders relaunches his Medicare-for-all health care [View all]
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
OP
Should Bernie win the Democratic Nomination and the G.E. that would signify a seismic shift
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#2
You can't separate the two, they're too intricately tied together. Bernie has beaten Trump
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#11
1. Bernie is running against teen number of candidates, it would be virtually impossible
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#17
So has Biden. But the difference is Biden can take the rustbelt and deny Trump
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#46
It's a circle, a seismic shift would get Bernie elected however Bernie being elected
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#19
A circle begins somewhere. And I'm not sure the "circle" you describe applies to all
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#20
The circle began with Bernie, very small in the beginning perhaps just a dot spinning around but as
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#22
I'm not unhappy about your metaphor down-thread ehrnst, it was just poorly conceived. n/t
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#55
If you wish to be serious here are some options that Bernie is proposing to pay for it.
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#5
Most or all of them depending on the political will of the American Nation and
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#13
But what if he doesn't win? Why is that necessary for the "political will of the American Nation"
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#26
Your source of choice doesn't surprise me. It's one with a political agenda, for a specific bill...
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#33
Their mission is irrelevant to the point. If you have information to actually dispute their argument
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#36
Yes, their *mission* is relevant to their analysis. Why do you think they publish it on their site?
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#39
Are their facts correct or do you have facts to the contrary regarding the CBO's scoring
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#43
You sure don't apply that metric to a statement or analysis from WAPO or the Mercatus Institute
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#45
How will Warren get her childcare stuff passed? How will [Candidate X] get their [Policy Proposal]..
TCJ70
Apr 2019
#21
Actually, no, it's not equally invalid criticism for every candidate's proposals.
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#50
Thank you Sen. Sanders & Sens Baldwin, Blumenthal, Booker, Gillibrand, Harris, Hirono, Heinrich,
Nanjeanne
Apr 2019
#16
People may like their doctors, nurses and hospitals but why would anyone like their
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#30
To begin with, this doesn't answer my question as to why people would want to keep private
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#32
Many people like their private insurance. That needs to be acknowledged in any realistic
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#34
Whatever the "why," the reality is that they "do", and any reality-based legislation will
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#35