Democratic Primaries

SunSeeker

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21. Biden is not for the status quo. He is about improving the life of every worker.

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:17 AM

Mar 2020

What "fundamental change" do we need in your opinion? Eugene Debs style Socialism that Bernie advocated? Or the Scandinavian style regulated capitalism? Those are two very different things.

What I have learned over the last 45 years is the importance of stability, especially in a democracy. Beirut in 1978, a sophisticated city ripped to shreds by tribalism, showed how fragile a civilized society can be. I have learned how hard it is to make a difference, that the best change comes incrementally and only with a national consensus. I have learned that idealism needs to be enhanced by civility and some institutional memory...and patient determination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Bernie gave a great interview on Rachel Maddow. [View all] DanTex Mar 2020 OP

He was very respectable. That is the Bernie we have always liked. Under The Radar Mar 2020 #1

Agree, not the screaming Bernie from the debates Jersey Devil Mar 2020 #43

Rachel: Is Barack Obama part of the Democratic establishment? Bernie: No AGeddy Mar 2020 #2

The boogeyman. William769 Mar 2020 #9

Look up what Paul Wellstone said about being from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. redqueen Mar 2020 #56

bernie is not a socialist. the behind him youth stayed home. good luck to him going on nt msongs Mar 2020 #3

He'll be going on for another week, maybe two. George II Mar 2020 #7

I think that particular hope is futile. It will be comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #23

Agreed. After March 17th Bernie should drop out. Stil Sad to see Warren go, though! wiley Mar 2020 #48

Yeah, he even forgot all the negative things he said about Obama in the past. RandySF Mar 2020 #4

One thing I appreciated about what Bernie said was when RM asked him why isnt he Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #52

"The Establishment is against him" WA-03 Democrat Mar 2020 #5

Yes, but we should still be thankful for Bernie. The very far left is still very welcome! wiley Mar 2020 #50

Of Course! WA-03 Democrat Mar 2020 #71

I like Bernie much better Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #6

True. TomSlick Mar 2020 #11

Yep! It's about the debate of ideas and goals. Winning would be nice, but in the long run, it's KPN Mar 2020 #8

No, Biden is NOT going to "continue on the current path" that Trump is on. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #13

I didn't say anything about the current path that tRump is on. Nor doi I have faith that Biden is KPN Mar 2020 #16

Our "current path" is Trump crap. That's who is currently in the White House. This is 2020. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #18

Well then, let me elaborate: the economic/labor path we've been on the past 45+ years. Is that any KPN Mar 2020 #20

Biden is not for the status quo. He is about improving the life of every worker. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #21

But will he seek justice for the crimes of the Trump administration? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2020 #24

wow just wow larwdem Mar 2020 #29

A thousand time yes, Fiendish Thingy. JudyM Mar 2020 #30

I hope his AG does. But I don't think running on prosecuting your political opponents is advisable. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #32

I didn't say Biden should run on prosecuting Trump Fiendish Thingy Mar 2020 #39

Yes, I know that about Warren. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #46

Seriously? Comparing the USA to Lebanon? Comparing Sanders' supporters to sectarian militia KPN Mar 2020 #42

YOU compared Bernie supporters to "sectarian militias," not me. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #45

Lol. No, you used Beirut as an example of what could happen to our democracy, not me. You used KPN Mar 2020 #47

No, I really don't know why Sanders keeps referring to a robust safety net as socialism. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #49

Bernie defines himself as a Democratic Socialist which is something far different than "socialism" KPN Mar 2020 #54

Democratic Socialism is still socialism. Bernie self-defines as a socialist. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #66

Well, we'll have to disagree. I've followed Bernie for over twenty years. KPN Mar 2020 #67

Bernie is calling himself a socialist. Words have definitions. He can't just make shit up. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #69

When has he called himself a socialist in recent years? KPN Mar 2020 #73

Calling yourself a Democratic Socialist is calling yourself a Socialist. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #74

Thank you for putting all that so eloquently. redqueen Mar 2020 #58

Agreed wiley Mar 2020 #68

+1000 gldstwmn Mar 2020 #14

So Biden will continue on Trump's current path?!?! uponit7771 Mar 2020 #15

I didn't say that. Please don't put words in my mouth. KPN Mar 2020 #17

"fundamental change vs continuing on the current path." -- Oh, for fuck's sake! Stop it, will ya?! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #37

Not a great interview... a PHENOMENAL interview InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #10

I may not live to see it but this party gldstwmn Mar 2020 #12

This party nominated a Progressive in 2016. GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #27

this Freddie Mar 2020 #36

OMG, did you see Cenk Uygur's meltdown? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #38

I'm 56 and not a Sanders supporter. gldstwmn Mar 2020 #41

HRC may have been a progressive in gldstwmn Mar 2020 #40

She had the most liberal platform of any Democratic nominee mcar Mar 2020 #55

Do some research? How insulting. gldstwmn Mar 2020 #70

So do I mcar Mar 2020 #72

Very likely. But not Sanders. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #53

From a place of courage zak247 Mar 2020 #19

I agree rockfordfile Mar 2020 #22

"...there will be more AOCs to come." TexasTowelie Mar 2020 #25

Barely. Mike Niendorff Mar 2020 #28

+1. Next time the Koch-backed guy won't win. JudyM Mar 2020 #31

Really really good interview Raine Mar 2020 #26

Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #33

Lol grantcart Mar 2020 #34

I've just finished listening to the full interview, and it's clear he's built a fine castle on sand. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #35

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #44

" The youth is solidly behind him," brooklynite Mar 2020 #51

Well, when you go on twitter awesomerwb1 Mar 2020 #57

Interesting how they all get on line in the afternoon for those rally/concerts brooklynite Mar 2020 #60

Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #59

Nope, Stephanie Miller Show did not trash him AT ALL Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #61

Sooooo, the public option is good for HCIC's? Really !? uponit7771 Mar 2020 #62

Summary: Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #63

Huh. I don't see why anyone could find the interview objectionable. DanTex Mar 2020 #64

I didn't find it objectionable, I found it vacuous. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #65

I heard a politician doing his best to deflect and evade a direct question.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #75

Thought I had heard the last of the BS 'surge' type comments on the UG. empedocles Mar 2020 #76

Does Cenk know that this was a good interview? Gothmog Mar 2020 #77