Democratic Primaries

stopdiggin

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84. I think that should read

Reply to frazzled (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:21 PM

Mar 2020

"and thus the misogyny predominantly came from the 'progressive' camp" Right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Elizabeth Warren was, in my view, a victim of two things. [View all] guillaumeb Mar 2020 OP

Very well said........................right on the mark.................the media owns this from the turbinetree Mar 2020 #1

And the media, being controlled by the rich, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #3

Exactly ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #2

Only for females is competence seen as a negative. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #5

men that insist the goold ol' boys club stay in power, anti-choice folks, bible thumpers, etc kaotikross Mar 2020 #72

Perhaps Gabbard should run for Governor in American Samoa. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #81

just men. any man. all men. big men. little men. jealous men. demigoddess Mar 2020 #107

Yes. LisaM Mar 2020 #4

My view is that Sanders peaked in 2016. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #8

We all agree with that. LisaM Mar 2020 #13

Agreed. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #15

I agree and while progressive marlakay Mar 2020 #18

Oh, I'm not undecided. LisaM Mar 2020 #22

I believe that subset did and does exist. Sympthsical Mar 2020 #121

You might consider that many voters understood her plans just fine, but did not support them. tritsofme Mar 2020 #6

Many here, yes. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #9

I find the candidates to be prety much on the same side of things. LisaM Mar 2020 #17

Lots of good stuff, no doubt. tritsofme Mar 2020 #31

Well, that's damning Biden with faint praise. LisaM Mar 2020 #47

Biden has argued for strengthening ACA, and higher taxes on the wealthy. tritsofme Mar 2020 #52

Yesterday's market surge was led by health insurance stocks... alterfurz Mar 2020 #59

+1 BeckyDem Mar 2020 #102

But that doesnt support the view that losing isnt her or her campaigns fault. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #163

Very true. Especially if you are trying to appeal to Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #167

You nailed it. Taraman Mar 2020 #7

She presented a challenge to the rich. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #11

I have talke to Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #131

But someday, these GOP voters might play the lottery. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #133

I agree Nikki28 Mar 2020 #10

Welcome to DU, Nikki. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #12

I couldn't disagree more with your simplistic - if expected - post mortem. stopbush Mar 2020 #14

Understood. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #16

True to form, your reponse is just as simplistic as what you allege of others. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #20

My response - while perhaps simplistic - has the advantage of being fact based. stopbush Mar 2020 #21

yes. but ... stopdiggin Mar 2020 #50

Kamala Harris was my first choice this year. I wish she would have stayed in stopbush Mar 2020 #62

Ummm? not from me. stopdiggin Mar 2020 #77

I agree on your points LakeArenal Mar 2020 #64

Well said. Kota Mar 2020 #19

Either Democratic candidate is far better than Trump. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #30

I'm in Illinois also, you are right, anybody is better than trump. Kota Mar 2020 #44

me too, Illinois kaotikross Mar 2020 #68

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #80

Right on. Clearly, hands down the best of the candidates. LizBeth Mar 2020 #23

You're right, with a proviso frazzled Mar 2020 #24

This! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #53

I think that should read stopdiggin Mar 2020 #84

Okay, I accept that change frazzled Mar 2020 #114

Uniting the party one insult at a time? pampango Mar 2020 #109

the OP invests heavily in the misogynistic explanation stopdiggin Mar 2020 #124

"And for a corporate media that prefers flash to substance" Martin Eden Mar 2020 #25

I agree with your prescription for the debates. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #33

what about the fact that some us just didn't like what she was offering? ANd now we hear the beachbumbob Mar 2020 #26

I am not accusing any individual voter. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #34

the first thing thrown out there is because they are a woman, I hate the victim card beachbumbob Mar 2020 #38

Warren is female. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #39

Given that Trump won I think one could argue that 'intelligence' is seen as negative even for males mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #27

The media created Trump, and presented him as smart. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #40

So when if ever are we going to break the glass ceiling? totodeinhere Mar 2020 #28

I agree. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #35

That ceiling is a CEMENT ceiling in a gaslit room called the "catch and kill" zone. ancianita Mar 2020 #66

There is much truth in your post. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #79

Warren has a Hillary problem. beastie boy Mar 2020 #29

The US corporate meda is owned and controlled by rich white males. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #36

This attitude is certainly reflected in the media, but it is not endemic to it. beastie boy Mar 2020 #55

Hillary won the popular vote MisterProton Mar 2020 #162

Her problem can be summed up in 1 phrase: America does not like smart women Moderateguy Mar 2020 #32

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #37

Might add 3 and 4: Sanders and Biden. And 5. Hortensis Mar 2020 #41

A great #5. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #42

Why can't she just be a candidate that voters didn't support? brooklynite Mar 2020 #43

Let's hear them. John Fante Mar 2020 #60

MFA is the largest one.. brooklynite Mar 2020 #106

Supporting civil rights lost us the south. MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #125

Why keep a plan that costs you more money and lands you in bankruptcy? alarimer Mar 2020 #144

The most valid argument: voters don't support it brooklynite Mar 2020 #145

Understood, but my points remain. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #82

She wasn't victimized. She was even front-runner for a time. BusyBeingBest Mar 2020 #45

We agree on the aspect of her being ignored by the media. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #85

Three, Bernie Yavin4 Mar 2020 #46

Especially after the heart attack at 78! deurbano Mar 2020 #51

That argument can certainly be made. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #86

Elizabeth Warren would flunk the Dina Titus or Tessa Hafen test Awsi Dooger Mar 2020 #48

Amy can help bring suburban women in the midwest squirecam Mar 2020 #74

Excellent observations. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #87

Mostly, I'm just sad today that she's out of the race. Taraman Mar 2020 #49

So many wonderful things about her were twisted around and framed to mock her. FM123 Mar 2020 #54

✔️ blm Mar 2020 #161

Sexism can't be understated. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #56

And this pretense of being concerned with "electability" guillaumeb Mar 2020 #88

And don't forget about a "plan" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #128

And the GOP runs on slogans. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #132

True. There was also stuff she chose herself: not to speak up about robbedvoter Mar 2020 #57

Best post I've read in a very long time. CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #58

I have read better. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #90

I agree in all respects jimlup Mar 2020 #61

Thank you. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #91

The patriarchy must be abolished Politicub Mar 2020 #63

Like endless war? eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #92

And her "mistakes" were blown all out of proportion. Reader Rabbit Mar 2020 #65

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #94

People who don't state plans don't get picked to pieces on the basis of plans. It's that stupid. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #67

Trump, like Reagan ran on a slogan. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #95

Female and competent. The Kiss of Death in American politics, yep... n/t TygrBright Mar 2020 #69

Highly recommended democrank Mar 2020 #70

I will add one other thing relayerbob Mar 2020 #71

That is a good argument to make. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #96

Top notch, gillaumeb. Harker Mar 2020 #73

As was I. And thank you. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #98

Rural areas require non-stop canvassing imho OhNo-Really Mar 2020 #75

And both are Senators, which requires much time and effort. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #99

She was a victim of bad choices dansolo Mar 2020 #76

She ran a Bernie-Lite campaign NCProgressive Mar 2020 #78

Before we blame sexism and ignorance customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #83

Oh puhleaze Taraman Mar 2020 #89

Tell me customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #93

No. It's pointless. I'm going to go cool off. Taraman Mar 2020 #97

So, you have no refutation customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #100

Before you go and cool off, welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #103

Not a newbie. Taraman Mar 2020 #108

Agreed. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #111

Reread your fourth point. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #101

Agreed customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #110

Thank you for your response. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #112

During the first Star Wars movie customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #113

Exhibit A MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #126

I don't seem to recall customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #141

Sounds right LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #104

Amen Faux pas Mar 2020 #105

All so true!!! rainy Mar 2020 #115

And indicative of how far we have to go. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #117

Oh FFS. She lost because she couldn't convince Piratedog Mar 2020 #116

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #118

She is so much more competent and prepared than BS. we can do it Mar 2020 #119

The US corporate media fears her ideas. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #120

I disagree that it was the media's fault. They covered her pretty well. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #122

But HOW the US corporate media covers someone is crucial. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #134

Warren didn't go after Sanders hard and early. Kaleva Mar 2020 #123

She was polite, and professional. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #135

Something that's never happened, media interested in actual discussion of the issues. Kaleva Mar 2020 #140

The media prefers easily preseented soundbites. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #147

Primarily because so many voters prefer that. Kaleva Mar 2020 #156

Biden and Pete didn't, either. They went after Warren all fall, though, blm Mar 2020 #151

There'a aticles going back to May of last year discussing Sanders and Biden attacking each other Kaleva Mar 2020 #155

Lol. Sept, Oct, Nov was Attack Warren season. blm Mar 2020 #157

Warren made two big mistakes. RDANGELO Mar 2020 #127

MFA is, and was, the subject of a disinformation campaign guillaumeb Mar 2020 #136

She was a victim of her inability to give a straight answer to a simple question MD shmoo Mar 2020 #129

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #137

She's smart and could have explained this MD shmoo Mar 2020 #139

Given the current, sound bite driven, debate format, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #146

Of course it could be done. Sanders did it. MD shmoo Mar 2020 #153

Well said. nt Chalco Mar 2020 #130

Not to mention the media erasure of her very presence. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2020 #138

Absolutely. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #148

Quite rightly. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2020 #154

The whole debate thing is a farce. Scruffy1 Mar 2020 #142

Really well stated. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #149

I'm still voting for her alarimer Mar 2020 #143

Most voters have not even voted yet. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #150

At least 17 states got the chance to vote for her... Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #152

That is true. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #159

Actually I'm in favor of tearing up the whole presidential election format Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #166

Elizabeth Warren JGug1 Mar 2020 #158

We must agree to disagree. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #160

Hear, hear! StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #164

Thank you. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #168

Unfortunately there aren't enough voters who want an intelligent candidate... patphil Mar 2020 #165

The GOP runs on slogans. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #169