Democratic Primaries

Kaleva

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155. There'a aticles going back to May of last year discussing Sanders and Biden attacking each other

Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:59 PM

Mar 2020

An example from July 2019

"To Mr. Biden, Medicare for All is a costly and complex proposal that means eliminating private health insurance — and scrapping the Affordable Care Act.

“I knew the Republicans would do everything in their power to repeal Obamacare,” he said in a video this week as he rolled out his own health care proposal. “They still are. But I’m surprised that so many Democrats are running on getting rid of it.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/us/politics/sanders-biden-health-care.html

"Bernie Sanders ramps up his attacks on Joe Biden
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Published: May 15, 2019 at 5:20 p.m. ET"

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-ramps-up-his-attacks-on-joe-biden-2019-05-15

"Bernie Sanders Goes After Joe Biden On Afghanistan

CHRISTIAN DATOC
SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
November 20, 2019
10:28 PM ET"

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/20/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-afghanistan/

"Biden, Sanders Spar Over Social Security
THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS HITTING BACK AFTER THEY SAY SANDERS LAUNCHED NEGATIVE AND DISHONEST ATTACKS AGAINST THE FORMER VP'S RECORD ON SOCIAL SECURITY.
Biden, Sanders Spar Over Social Security"
BY TANYA A. CHRISTIAN · JANUARY 22, 2020

https://www.essence.com/news/politics/biden-sanders-spar-social-security/

I don't think you can say that Biden ignored Sanders all fall when google search results show otherwise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Elizabeth Warren was, in my view, a victim of two things. [View all] guillaumeb Mar 2020 OP

Very well said........................right on the mark.................the media owns this from the turbinetree Mar 2020 #1

And the media, being controlled by the rich, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #3

Exactly ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #2

Only for females is competence seen as a negative. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #5

men that insist the goold ol' boys club stay in power, anti-choice folks, bible thumpers, etc kaotikross Mar 2020 #72

Perhaps Gabbard should run for Governor in American Samoa. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #81

just men. any man. all men. big men. little men. jealous men. demigoddess Mar 2020 #107

Yes. LisaM Mar 2020 #4

My view is that Sanders peaked in 2016. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #8

We all agree with that. LisaM Mar 2020 #13

Agreed. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #15

I agree and while progressive marlakay Mar 2020 #18

Oh, I'm not undecided. LisaM Mar 2020 #22

I believe that subset did and does exist. Sympthsical Mar 2020 #121

You might consider that many voters understood her plans just fine, but did not support them. tritsofme Mar 2020 #6

Many here, yes. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #9

I find the candidates to be prety much on the same side of things. LisaM Mar 2020 #17

Lots of good stuff, no doubt. tritsofme Mar 2020 #31

Well, that's damning Biden with faint praise. LisaM Mar 2020 #47

Biden has argued for strengthening ACA, and higher taxes on the wealthy. tritsofme Mar 2020 #52

Yesterday's market surge was led by health insurance stocks... alterfurz Mar 2020 #59

+1 BeckyDem Mar 2020 #102

But that doesnt support the view that losing isnt her or her campaigns fault. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #163

Very true. Especially if you are trying to appeal to Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #167

You nailed it. Taraman Mar 2020 #7

She presented a challenge to the rich. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #11

I have talke to Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #131

But someday, these GOP voters might play the lottery. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #133

I agree Nikki28 Mar 2020 #10

Welcome to DU, Nikki. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #12

I couldn't disagree more with your simplistic - if expected - post mortem. stopbush Mar 2020 #14

Understood. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #16

True to form, your reponse is just as simplistic as what you allege of others. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #20

My response - while perhaps simplistic - has the advantage of being fact based. stopbush Mar 2020 #21

yes. but ... stopdiggin Mar 2020 #50

Kamala Harris was my first choice this year. I wish she would have stayed in stopbush Mar 2020 #62

Ummm? not from me. stopdiggin Mar 2020 #77

I agree on your points LakeArenal Mar 2020 #64

Well said. Kota Mar 2020 #19

Either Democratic candidate is far better than Trump. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #30

I'm in Illinois also, you are right, anybody is better than trump. Kota Mar 2020 #44

me too, Illinois kaotikross Mar 2020 #68

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #80

Right on. Clearly, hands down the best of the candidates. LizBeth Mar 2020 #23

You're right, with a proviso frazzled Mar 2020 #24

This! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #53

I think that should read stopdiggin Mar 2020 #84

Okay, I accept that change frazzled Mar 2020 #114

Uniting the party one insult at a time? pampango Mar 2020 #109

the OP invests heavily in the misogynistic explanation stopdiggin Mar 2020 #124

"And for a corporate media that prefers flash to substance" Martin Eden Mar 2020 #25

I agree with your prescription for the debates. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #33

what about the fact that some us just didn't like what she was offering? ANd now we hear the beachbumbob Mar 2020 #26

I am not accusing any individual voter. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #34

the first thing thrown out there is because they are a woman, I hate the victim card beachbumbob Mar 2020 #38

Warren is female. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #39

Given that Trump won I think one could argue that 'intelligence' is seen as negative even for males mr_lebowski Mar 2020 #27

The media created Trump, and presented him as smart. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #40

So when if ever are we going to break the glass ceiling? totodeinhere Mar 2020 #28

I agree. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #35

That ceiling is a CEMENT ceiling in a gaslit room called the "catch and kill" zone. ancianita Mar 2020 #66

There is much truth in your post. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #79

Warren has a Hillary problem. beastie boy Mar 2020 #29

The US corporate meda is owned and controlled by rich white males. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #36

This attitude is certainly reflected in the media, but it is not endemic to it. beastie boy Mar 2020 #55

Hillary won the popular vote MisterProton Mar 2020 #162

Her problem can be summed up in 1 phrase: America does not like smart women Moderateguy Mar 2020 #32

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #37

Might add 3 and 4: Sanders and Biden. And 5. Hortensis Mar 2020 #41

A great #5. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #42

Why can't she just be a candidate that voters didn't support? brooklynite Mar 2020 #43

Let's hear them. John Fante Mar 2020 #60

MFA is the largest one.. brooklynite Mar 2020 #106

Supporting civil rights lost us the south. MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #125

Why keep a plan that costs you more money and lands you in bankruptcy? alarimer Mar 2020 #144

The most valid argument: voters don't support it brooklynite Mar 2020 #145

Understood, but my points remain. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #82

She wasn't victimized. She was even front-runner for a time. BusyBeingBest Mar 2020 #45

We agree on the aspect of her being ignored by the media. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #85

Three, Bernie Yavin4 Mar 2020 #46

Especially after the heart attack at 78! deurbano Mar 2020 #51

That argument can certainly be made. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #86

Elizabeth Warren would flunk the Dina Titus or Tessa Hafen test Awsi Dooger Mar 2020 #48

Amy can help bring suburban women in the midwest squirecam Mar 2020 #74

Excellent observations. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #87

Mostly, I'm just sad today that she's out of the race. Taraman Mar 2020 #49

So many wonderful things about her were twisted around and framed to mock her. FM123 Mar 2020 #54

✔️ blm Mar 2020 #161

Sexism can't be understated. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #56

And this pretense of being concerned with "electability" guillaumeb Mar 2020 #88

And don't forget about a "plan" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #128

And the GOP runs on slogans. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #132

True. There was also stuff she chose herself: not to speak up about robbedvoter Mar 2020 #57

Best post I've read in a very long time. CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #58

I have read better. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #90

I agree in all respects jimlup Mar 2020 #61

Thank you. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #91

The patriarchy must be abolished Politicub Mar 2020 #63

Like endless war? eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #92

And her "mistakes" were blown all out of proportion. Reader Rabbit Mar 2020 #65

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #94

People who don't state plans don't get picked to pieces on the basis of plans. It's that stupid. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #67

Trump, like Reagan ran on a slogan. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #95

Female and competent. The Kiss of Death in American politics, yep... n/t TygrBright Mar 2020 #69

Highly recommended democrank Mar 2020 #70

I will add one other thing relayerbob Mar 2020 #71

That is a good argument to make. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #96

Top notch, gillaumeb. Harker Mar 2020 #73

As was I. And thank you. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #98

Rural areas require non-stop canvassing imho OhNo-Really Mar 2020 #75

And both are Senators, which requires much time and effort. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #99

She was a victim of bad choices dansolo Mar 2020 #76

She ran a Bernie-Lite campaign NCProgressive Mar 2020 #78

Before we blame sexism and ignorance customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #83

Oh puhleaze Taraman Mar 2020 #89

Tell me customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #93

No. It's pointless. I'm going to go cool off. Taraman Mar 2020 #97

So, you have no refutation customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #100

Before you go and cool off, welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #103

Not a newbie. Taraman Mar 2020 #108

Agreed. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #111

Reread your fourth point. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #101

Agreed customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #110

Thank you for your response. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #112

During the first Star Wars movie customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #113

Exhibit A MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #126

I don't seem to recall customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #141

Sounds right LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #104

Amen Faux pas Mar 2020 #105

All so true!!! rainy Mar 2020 #115

And indicative of how far we have to go. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #117

Oh FFS. She lost because she couldn't convince Piratedog Mar 2020 #116

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #118

She is so much more competent and prepared than BS. we can do it Mar 2020 #119

The US corporate media fears her ideas. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #120

I disagree that it was the media's fault. They covered her pretty well. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #122

But HOW the US corporate media covers someone is crucial. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #134

Warren didn't go after Sanders hard and early. Kaleva Mar 2020 #123

She was polite, and professional. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #135

Something that's never happened, media interested in actual discussion of the issues. Kaleva Mar 2020 #140

The media prefers easily preseented soundbites. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #147

Primarily because so many voters prefer that. Kaleva Mar 2020 #156

Biden and Pete didn't, either. They went after Warren all fall, though, blm Mar 2020 #151

There'a aticles going back to May of last year discussing Sanders and Biden attacking each other Kaleva Mar 2020 #155

Lol. Sept, Oct, Nov was Attack Warren season. blm Mar 2020 #157

Warren made two big mistakes. RDANGELO Mar 2020 #127

MFA is, and was, the subject of a disinformation campaign guillaumeb Mar 2020 #136

She was a victim of her inability to give a straight answer to a simple question MD shmoo Mar 2020 #129

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #137

She's smart and could have explained this MD shmoo Mar 2020 #139

Given the current, sound bite driven, debate format, guillaumeb Mar 2020 #146

Of course it could be done. Sanders did it. MD shmoo Mar 2020 #153

Well said. nt Chalco Mar 2020 #130

Not to mention the media erasure of her very presence. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2020 #138

Absolutely. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #148

Quite rightly. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2020 #154

The whole debate thing is a farce. Scruffy1 Mar 2020 #142

Really well stated. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #149

I'm still voting for her alarimer Mar 2020 #143

Most voters have not even voted yet. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #150

At least 17 states got the chance to vote for her... Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #152

That is true. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #159

Actually I'm in favor of tearing up the whole presidential election format Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #166

Elizabeth Warren JGug1 Mar 2020 #158

We must agree to disagree. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #160

Hear, hear! StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #164

Thank you. eom guillaumeb Mar 2020 #168

Unfortunately there aren't enough voters who want an intelligent candidate... patphil Mar 2020 #165

The GOP runs on slogans. guillaumeb Mar 2020 #169