Democratic Primaries

BidenBacker

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46. Won't let me read it

Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:44 PM

Mar 2020

Been thinking about subscribing to WaPo and your link will probably push me more into doing so.

Regarding Hillary's vote, she was naive if she ever really trusted Dubya. I think her vote was more of a political calculation with her eye on a presidential run than anything else but I always was a little skeptical when it came to Clinton.

If people knew the whole story about the AUMF then their respect for some Senators (like Biden, Hagel & Lugar) would probably go way up and their respect for others (like Boxer, Wyden and yes, even Sanders) would go way down.

Ironic that Bernie is now trying to hit Biden over the head with Joe's AUMF vote in his ads when the Iraq War was actually much more due to his no vote than Biden's yes vote, as contradictory as that may sound.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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My thoughts on why the Sanders' campaign is in meltdown [View all] Moderateguy Mar 2020 OP

I think your assessment is accurate. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #1

Exactly BigOleDummy Mar 2020 #17

I'm as liberal as they come LiberalBrooke Mar 2020 #42

amen demigoddess Mar 2020 #55

Bernie's ceiling DownriverDem Mar 2020 #53

Hard to argue with any of that TwilightZone Mar 2020 #2

Sanders started this campaign as him verses the Democratic party, and that is the reason he cannot m still_one Mar 2020 #3

Excellent analysis PJMcK Mar 2020 #4

"My thoughts on why Gabbard's Campaign is in Meltdown" maxsolomon Mar 2020 #18

I'm backing her.. Moderateguy Mar 2020 #60

It is Joe Biden who is generating increased voter turnout Gothmog Mar 2020 #66

They actually believed that they did not need more than 30% of the vote. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #5

BS probably realized he couldn't/wouldn't get much more than 30% of the vote. empedocles Mar 2020 #7

They were banking on candidates staying in the race. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #8

Today Sanders was going on about Klobuchar and Buttigieg being forced to leave the race by... Mars and Minerva Mar 2020 #54

I think their bottom level target was 40%, as if they had 37%, Biden had 34%, Bloomberg 28% (just Celerity Mar 2020 #11

Sanders' campaign plan to win the nomination with only 30% of the vote Gothmog Mar 2020 #67

This was plan B judeling Mar 2020 #6

In retrospect, the way things happened, America dodged a bullet. He's been exposed as fundamentally OnDoutside Mar 2020 #9

Re: big win in Iowa - there's really no basis for that. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #10

Interesting point Orrex Mar 2020 #24

All that matters is that it is over for Sanders NCProgressive Mar 2020 #77

Bernie was known from 2016 there, so it is more likely the other Senators were hurt more karynnj Mar 2020 #22

It was Klobuchar who got hurt the most judeling Mar 2020 #52

Do you think a blowout victory in Iowa would have helped Moderateguy Mar 2020 #68

It wouldn't be a blowout judeling Mar 2020 #91

Plus Bernie skipped out on Selma, Mississippi, and lost Cuban Americans.n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #12

This is a very good analysis, moderateguy. Codeine Mar 2020 #13

Also, all of the moderate and progressive Democrats are in broad agreement dawg day Mar 2020 #35

Couldn't agree more Codeine DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #49

Couldn't agree more Moderateguy Mar 2020 #70

That campaign's biggest problem is that Sanders is a socialist. brush Mar 2020 #14

I think Bernie's biggest problem is Bernie. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #58

Good OP. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #15

Pretty good summation... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #16

Trump didn't win a plurality of the vote. comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #57

He didn't win a majority... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #59

Plurality comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #75

Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #19

Thanks for proving the OP is correct. kellytore Mar 2020 #26

You know what they say about not letting the door....... George II Mar 2020 #27

Was that Cenk? NurseJackie Mar 2020 #81

. George II Mar 2020 #82

He forgot this. lapucelle Mar 2020 #85

WOW ! stonecutter357 Mar 2020 #29

One more, young people are not showing up. Yavin4 Mar 2020 #20

They thought that by giving free concerts they'd attract young people. They did, but.... George II Mar 2020 #28

I've been wondering if the young voters didn't realize that the primaries are just as important as japple Mar 2020 #48

They expected the moderate and center-left vote to be split and divided for longer... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #21

They were also counting on moderate and center-left voters falling in line behind Sanders sop Mar 2020 #61

Unfortunately this Moderateguy Mar 2020 #72

1 million African Americans that voted in 2012 didn't Blue_true Mar 2020 #84

So... we just work twice as hard to get moderate voters and never-trump voters. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #74

The more reasonable ones will be onboard by the convention... Moderateguy Mar 2020 #79

I wouldn't count on him dropping out anytime soon. Brogrizzly Mar 2020 #23

Nice analysis. But if Tulsi breaks off and runs as a third party candidate, PatrickforO Mar 2020 #25

The thing that True Blue American Mar 2020 #31

When Joe was in the Senate BidenBacker Mar 2020 #34

That is why Joe said he could work with Republicans. True Blue American Mar 2020 #38

I really wish BidenBacker Mar 2020 #40

I listened to Hillary when she was not sure about giving Bush permission to do everything he could. True Blue American Mar 2020 #43

Won't let me read it BidenBacker Mar 2020 #46

All Joe has to do BidenBacker Mar 2020 #30

They were banking on all candidates staying in until the contested convention Dopers_Greed Mar 2020 #32

I Remember That Meltdown As If It Were Yesterday corbettkroehler Mar 2020 #33

Good analysis... Mike Nelson Mar 2020 #36

To be totally fair, the campaign does have a couple good surrogates tishaLA Mar 2020 #37

AOC announced True Blue American Mar 2020 #39

Yeah, but she's endorsed the junior senator from VT tishaLA Mar 2020 #41

I know True Blue American Mar 2020 #44

No she's not. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #62

She is still hedging her bets True Blue American Mar 2020 #63

That is the best we can hope for from her.. Moderateguy Mar 2020 #73

I didn't consider the Culinary Union as trying to force their members to vote for Biden. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #45

I think this is exactly right peggysue2 Mar 2020 #47

It appears blue-wave Mar 2020 #50

Well said customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #51

Bern me once shame on me...Bern me twice...um ....no. apcalc Mar 2020 #56

+1. Bernie underperformed in IA and NH, radius777 Mar 2020 #64

From day 1, Bernie built a campaign to appeal to 30%. Gothmog Mar 2020 #65

Hmmm... is that what Tulsi said on Fox? AllyCat Mar 2020 #69

I don't think Tulsi has to capacity to think of a 1/100 of what I said Moderateguy Mar 2020 #71

I wouldn't know. I only ever hear her on Faux AllyCat Mar 2020 #83

You're just teasing us with the Tulsi support, aren't you! betsuni Mar 2020 #87

I've said as much on here too many times to count Moderateguy Mar 2020 #88

I haven't seen that, but your analysis is excellent and the two things together betsuni Mar 2020 #90

Very interesting analysis. I consider myself very liberal indeed, but.... Hekate Mar 2020 #76

Sanders never should've run. Warren would be the nominee by now but for BS blm Mar 2020 #78

I agree... Moderateguy Mar 2020 #80

My thought exactly. thucythucy Mar 2020 #86

+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #89

My assessment of the failure of the Sanders campaign. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #92

Spot on analysis. UncleNoel Mar 2020 #93

This is amusing-betting markets have Clinton more likely to be the Dem. nominee compared to sanders Gothmog Mar 2020 #94