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Hortensis

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9. :) But how will we pay for what's not included
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 11:13 AM
Apr 2019

is more of the same question. And what will not be included when there is only one centralized plan subject to changes by the party in power? It doesn't even begin to be simple at all.

There are about as many MfA and Medicare for America plans out there as there are candidates now. For an example, Mayor Pete uses the term MfA, but diverges very substantially from Sanders' radical plan forcing the entire nation on one system, as do most of the candidates now.

Particularly in not doing away with private insurance entirely, as Sanders wants. 160,000,000 Americans have workplace insurance, and a majority, most of them registered voters, don't want to give it up. As was shown by the swift, negative reaction that just caused Kamala Harris to walk back her comment that she was ready to see the end of private insurance companies. And that's when almost no one is listening yet. You're so right that what people will accept is a big question.

Buttigieg:

"If the framework we're using is Medicare, a lot of people who have Medicare also have Medicare supplements, Medicare Advantage, something like that," Buttigieg added. "So if we want to make Medicare available to everybody, whether it's as a public option to buy in or simply establishing that as how the payer structure works in this country, that's going to be the center of gravity."

And if we need a road, a gradual way to get there, then we can start with Medicare for all who want it by making some version of Medicare available on the exchanges for people to opt into, as part of the pathway to Medicare for all so that you can try before you buy so to speak as a country."


He seems to be suggesting tax dollars would pay for what would be a standard package of Medicare benefits for all, but extra coverages would be available for purchase through private insurance companies. As Medicare is now.

I'm not crazy about that. I much prefer the Medicare for America plan for universal coverage. It allows all who want to go on a comprehensive government program to do so, with assistance for those who can't afford the deductibles and others who can afford to pay in somewhat doing so. While those who like what they have now would be free to stay with it. It's expected that over time by far most would migrate to the national health insurance, but choice would remain.
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Should a single person pay the same tax as a family of four...or six? Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #1
Should a family with no car pay taxes that support roads? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #10
Yeah? I'd like to see how the politicians explain that. Right now.. Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #14
That's not a reasonable analogy, even if a family doesn't have a car they rely... George II Apr 2019 #16
So my federal tax dollars don't go to infrastructure? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #21
Libertarian Underground! progressoid Apr 2019 #46
And they also rely on the health of the people providing the goods and services delivered via roads. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #51
What does that have to do with it? SMH. George II Apr 2019 #52
Can someone help him out? I've given up. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #53
SMH II. George II Apr 2019 #54
Try selling that to the electorate...we go down in flames. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #19
And, I'll tax you to give you Medicare for all but you will still have to purchase supplemental Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #20
Right and those poor suckers on the ACA paying all their usual shit plus higher taxes while they Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #26
That's how taxes work. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #22
Everybody doesn't pay the same taxes. There are different filing statuses for Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #24
That isn't the same as the libertarian crap you are talking about. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #36
No that is how we lose. Attempting to force an ideologically driven program that few want Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #25
"few want"? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #35
Not when workplace insurance goes away...17 % approval. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #39
Nope. 13%-17% depending on the poll Recursion Apr 2019 #50
Should I have to pay for a F-22 fighter jet? Yavin4 Apr 2019 #42
Or F-35s? George II Apr 2019 #55
The answers to those questions should at least be generally... WeekiWater Apr 2019 #2
It is all moot BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #3
+100000 Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #5
Sanders' totalitarian plan agree 100%. However, there are Hortensis Apr 2019 #11
Payroll taxes zipplewrath Apr 2019 #4
And in the meantime what about those on the ACA? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #6
They're already covered zipplewrath Apr 2019 #7
They won't be. The ACA needs work assuming SCOTUS doesn't use MFA TO destroy it. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #13
I suspect it won't happen...so those who can't get it for who knows how long Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #17
This is not what Sanders is proposing and that's part of the problem. marylandblue Apr 2019 #12
What he proposes would upend the entire Medicare system and I can promised you.. Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #23
Everyone will vote against it except millenials on their parents insurance marylandblue Apr 2019 #29
Right now it's just a pithy slogan. I don't support any of the candidates Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #31
Everybody doesn't work. You can't tax people who don't work. A VAT maybe? nt Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #15
Anyone who gets asked that question needs to respond to the obvious... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #8
And those answer will never work. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #40
We are acculturated to believe that wealthy people are superior to us Yavin4 Apr 2019 #44
Because too many Dems have bought into Republican framing... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #45
:) But how will we pay for what's not included Hortensis Apr 2019 #9
There's a whole lot that Medicare doesn't provide for young people. Keep Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #18
Yes. The devil's always in the details -- the final ones. Hortensis Apr 2019 #43
Average Cost of Aircraft Carrier . stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #27
Sure, so run for ending the American empire, and you'll free up lot's of money marylandblue Apr 2019 #30
Cool Story, Bro , ! stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #32
Have you never thought about why we have so many expensive aircraft carriers? marylandblue Apr 2019 #37
why we have so many expensive aircraft carriers? stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #38
And what do you think an empire does? More importantly, marylandblue Apr 2019 #41
Start with a Medicare buy in. You will see some early retirements, freeing up long held jobs. Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #28
Medicare buy in for ages 50 and up. Medicaid buy ins aka ACA for everyone else. nt Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #33
An "unlimited" buy-in or complete move to M4A is my standard this primary season... TCJ70 Apr 2019 #34
And yet, virtually every other first world nation has managed... tkmorris Apr 2019 #47
So why skip them? (nt) Recursion Apr 2019 #48
those seem like good questions KayF Apr 2019 #49
They'll screw it up and keep money flowing to the insurance companies madville Apr 2019 #56
Right now, people with no insurance, pay for the insurance of others. rickford66 Apr 2019 #57
12%, not 20%, and that includes administration Recursion Apr 2019 #58
Before the ACA I believe it was about 20% rickford66 Apr 2019 #59
They don't really. That 3% is their overhead before they hand off to the private insurer Recursion Apr 2019 #60
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