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BidenBacker

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46. Here is a brief article I found just to show I'm not bullshitting people
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 04:47 AM
Mar 2020

It's the best I could find after so many years but it will give you just a small whiff of what I was talking about...

https://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-te.iraq03oct03-story.html

The Senate is expected to approve a resolution in strong support of the president's position, though a lively debate - possibly including more than one Democratic alternative - is all but assured.

Biden and Lugar want a chance for a vote on their proposal, which Daschle has endorsed. They are seeking to narrow the president's authorization so that force could be used only to protect U.S. security or to disarm Saddam Hussein.

By contrast, the compromise agreed to yesterday would allow force to be used to defend the nation or to enforce "all relevant" U.N. Security Council resolutions on Iraq. That language, Biden argues, could empower the president to go to war for other reasons, such as forcing Hussein to cease human rights abuses against Iraqi citizens or to free non-Iraqi prisoners.

Administration officials said Bush has no intention of using force for such reasons.

The Biden-Lugar resolution would also require Bush to either delay the use of force until the United Nations has approved a new resolution intended to disarm Hussein, or certify that the Iraq threat is "so grave that the use of force is necessary" even without international support.


There were all kinds of amendments being proposed back then but they all got shot down. The one Joe was trying to get through was the Biden-Lugar resolution which woulda reined in Dubya and gotten the UN involved. But it never even made it to a vote. While Joe was trying to get Dems on board Gephardt in the House who was eyeing a run for POTUS kinda backstabbed him by cutting a deal with Dubya and once the House folded any deal to put a leash on Dubya was dead so they ended up passing a full-blown AUMF and we all know what happened after that.

Had some Dem Senators like Sanders, Boxer, Wyden and others agreed sooner before Gephardt signed on to unrestricted military force they mighta been able to prevent a war. We'll never know.

Why Biden doesn't fight back with what really went down is beyond me. Maybe he forgot all about it...LOL.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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It's bullshit anyway. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #1
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He has a few bad votes Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #7
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No, Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #12
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Five no votes on the Brady bill... ehrnst Mar 2020 #13
shielding gun manufacturers from liability is NOT supporting your RW talking point meme (2A rights) Celerity Mar 2020 #15
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #21
Every political Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #23
I'll give you the first one Todd79 Mar 2020 #18
AUMF BidenBacker Mar 2020 #39
Thank you for this information. Mister Ed Mar 2020 #44
Here is a brief article I found just to show I'm not bullshitting people BidenBacker Mar 2020 #46
I remember Gephardt's backstabbing dansolo Mar 2020 #49
A clip from another article BidenBacker Mar 2020 #47
Again, many thanks. I'll try to share this info with others. n/t Mister Ed Mar 2020 #48
Joe is where your median Democratic voter is. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2020 #2
His platform is significantly to the left of both HRC and Obama relayerbob Mar 2020 #3
Joe has always been considered liberal PatSeg Mar 2020 #4
I wouldn't call Romney and Collins moderates. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #6
Yes PatSeg Mar 2020 #20
Don't forget old Zell Todd79 Mar 2020 #24
Oh my god PatSeg Mar 2020 #31
Oh yeah Todd79 Mar 2020 #34
Her predictions are just too good to be true, yes I know 2018 bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #8
brooklynite, what you said was something simliar to what I would have said. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #9
Bitecofer needs to shut up NCProgressive Mar 2020 #10
Her five minutes of fame should have been over 2naSalit Mar 2020 #27
I agree... dhill926 Mar 2020 #29
How did Rachel Bitecofer manage 5 minutes of fame in the first place? Awsi Dooger Mar 2020 #42
The center is neither right or left Go Vols Mar 2020 #14
Biden isn't in the center. Manchin is in the center. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #28
I am old enough Go Vols Mar 2020 #35
That doesn't make your assertion any more accurate. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #36
It also dosent invalidate Go Vols Mar 2020 #40
OnTheIssues has Joe Biden as a solidly left liberal IronLionZion Mar 2020 #17
Biden Progressive2020 Mar 2020 #19
Bull shit! We need to remind ALL the people of... moonseller66 Mar 2020 #22
Yeah Progressive2020 Mar 2020 #25
Trump claimed Hillary was on her last leg SharonClark Mar 2020 #38
When I hear, "It's all over social media", I think: "Hmmm. Bots. And a disinformation campaign." Mister Ed Mar 2020 #45
But her emaaaaaaails! dansolo Mar 2020 #50
"right wing of the Democratic Party" - aka center-left? TwilightZone Mar 2020 #26
I don't care if he is on the right wing of a rabid bat... aka-chmeee Mar 2020 #30
Ouch, my foot! randr Mar 2020 #32
I give up... Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #33
Only their definition of moderate and progressive matters. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #37
Reading is ... Go Vols Mar 2020 #41
Yet Biden is in the middle of the pack for Democratic Senators back in 2008 LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #58
Silly, outrageous lies reveal a lack of honest ammunition. nt Hortensis Mar 2020 #43
Biden is the one we need Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #51
Joe Manchin is on the right wing dawg day Mar 2020 #52
He's in the middle Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #55
Yes, he is a liberal within the general population- dawg day Mar 2020 #57
attacking moderate demcrats is always the extremist line of attack anyways, beachbumbob Mar 2020 #53
Horn tooted. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #54
Fuck Bitecofer and fuck Cassidy... Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #56
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