Democratic Primaries

peggysue2

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81. The fact that Gillibrand and her campaign acknowledge the damage done . . .

Reply to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:18 AM

Apr 2019

with the hasty Al Franken condemnation (even though she defends her decision), goes a long way in explaining Gillibrand's far more nuanced comments regarding Joe Biden. There was no head-long jump into the accusation seat when the Joe Biden brouhaha emerged. The pattern of accusations was very similar--the first complaint, followed by two more then several others. The end note was quite different, however. I suspect the finale was quite disappointing to those behind the scenes.

Gillibrand has been a strong voice in women's issues. But she really got burned by the whole zero tolerance mantra: believe every woman with a story, rather than listen to every woman's story, give it serious consideration but then make damn well sure the stories are more than a political pile-on before you demand an ouster.

Live and learn, I guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Gillibrand campaign links low fundraising to Al Franken backlash: memo [View all] left-of-center2012 Apr 2019 OP

Oh well🙄 we can do it Apr 2019 #1

But Warren also called for Franken to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #84

I think that speaks more to Warren's strengths. sfwriter Apr 2019 #104

Strengths? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #133

Blindly following? Buzz cook Apr 2019 #146

She still called on him to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #148

Its a double standard? Buzz cook Apr 2019 #150

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #143

Maybe Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #149

I really liked her on The Office prodigitalson Apr 2019 #214

LOL Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #215

But Gillibrand lead the charge. zentrum Apr 2019 #204

So many factual errors Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #207

Why do any of us need to provide 'links? PatrickforO Apr 2019 #217

You got that right... KG is done. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #232

That's my reason why I wouldn't support her kimbutgar Apr 2019 #2

Why? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #94

Franken's ability to cross examine ... sfwriter Apr 2019 #105

+1 pandr32 Apr 2019 #129

Really? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #134

Bingo! Champion Jack Apr 2019 #158

Franken's state would have a better Senator, for one, that proved countless times PatrickforO Apr 2019 #218

Damn straight! Mme. Defarge Apr 2019 #203

She ain't wrong Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #3

Amen Jane Austin Apr 2019 #6

But Warren was part the Franken thing. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #67

No! Circular firing squad comment :( sharedvalues Apr 2019 #83

No there isn't Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #85

Not true. sharedvalues Apr 2019 #99

actually it is true, all Democratic Senators except 5 called in public or private for him to resign Celerity Apr 2019 #118

You'll never convince them... brooklynite Apr 2019 #121

all I can do is post the actual facts, what anyone chooses to do with them is up to them Celerity Apr 2019 #123

She led the charge from jump...for those of us who lived it Baltimike Apr 2019 #162

it was far more than just one woman who came forward and you give far too much power to a Jr. Celerity Apr 2019 #164

Oh it suuuuuure was 'more than one woman'...it was Roger Stone's SUCKER BET Baltimike Apr 2019 #167

Unfortunately the facts don't fit your narrative. Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #172

Yes it does Baltimike Apr 2019 #174

Any proof of that? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #182

Yup. Baltimike Apr 2019 #184

Lived it? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #187

Yup. LIVED it Baltimike Apr 2019 #188

Nice try. No dice. Baltimike Apr 2019 #190

So you can't provide any links Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #192

Nice try (again). No dice (again) Baltimike Apr 2019 #195

No dice? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #197

There you go again Baltimike Apr 2019 #198

Either provide Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #199

Post #175 Baltimike Apr 2019 #200

Every post Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #205

LOL. Suuuuuuure it does Baltimike Apr 2019 #211

Still no links Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #212

ROFL!! Baltimike Apr 2019 #220

Then post links that Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #223

There you go again! Baltimike Apr 2019 #236

Still no links Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #237

still going... Baltimike Apr 2019 #239

So you admit that it is just your opinion Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #241

and going... Baltimike Apr 2019 #242

Prove your alleged "facts" Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #243

are you saying you haven't bothered to do a simple google search before Baltimike Apr 2019 #244

Admit you're WRONG now. Thanks Baltimike Apr 2019 #245

Did you bother to read the links. Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #254

funny thing I have noticed about some people who toss out the buzzy buzzy meme Celerity Apr 2019 #177

see post 175. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #189

Man. Me too. It's like they didn't live through this or something. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #246

Funny thing I have noticed was the ACTUAL GASLIGHTING pretending Gilibrand Baltimike Apr 2019 #248

Oh, and scapegoating my royal Irish ass. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #168

if the shoe fits....... Celerity Apr 2019 #169

It doesn't. Baltimike Apr 2019 #170

She tried to make money off Franken's downfall for her campaign not too long ago. BlueStater Apr 2019 #175

No she was made the face of it Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #181

And by trying to make money off of it, she's doing nothing to dissociate herself from it. BlueStater Apr 2019 #185

OK Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #186

No. She MADE HERSELF the face of it Baltimike Apr 2019 #247

nope, it was a group effort, but keep on spinning Celerity Apr 2019 #249

Since announcing as a Presidential candidate... tonedevil Apr 2019 #250

thank you. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #253

Gilibrand was INDEED the first to call for his resignation Baltimike Apr 2019 #252

she posted on FB first, but literally 10 or 15 more posted and went on telly within minutes and they Celerity Apr 2019 #256

No Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #255

Nice try. No dice. They prove she led the way. Baltimike Apr 2019 #257

No they didn't prove that Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #258

Good post Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #144

It was over 40 others, all but 5 (and 4 of them either could not (3) or chose not (Menendez) Celerity Apr 2019 #165

Very true Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #166

+++++++ JHan Apr 2019 #173

Bs. the truth is the truth. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #111

Warren and Booker were not first. sfwriter Apr 2019 #106

Well I'm glad the post above brought up circular firing squad LakeArenal Apr 2019 #114

Raise her visibility? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #130

Indeed. I'm the littlest of the little, and I will not be donating to her campaign, PatrickforO Apr 2019 #219

They're just not that into you. TeamPooka Apr 2019 #4

Yup. Sucks to be her n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #56

But Harris also called for Franken to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #86

Angry because she "stood up for women who came forward with allegations The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #5

This post!👍 Va Lefty Apr 2019 #12

This +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 demtenjeep Apr 2019 #13

You go! Wellstone ruled Apr 2019 #17

Kamela Harris called for Franken resignation. delisen Apr 2019 #41

Kamala Harris would be a much better President too. wasupaloopa Apr 2019 #74

But she also called for Franken to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #89

She would make a great president Gillibrand wouldn't wasupaloopa Apr 2019 #151

Yet Harris was the first to go on TV Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #153

here is the video btw Celerity Apr 2019 #178

Thanks Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #183

... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #18

Well said! LuvNewcastle Apr 2019 #19

THIS catrose Apr 2019 #27

How do you give a pass to Kamela Harris? delisen Apr 2019 #42

Or Sanders, or Booker or Warren. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #68

None of them get a pass from me, and Harris gained her seat on Judiciary because Franken LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #79

So having the most anti-Trump voting record Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #91

Not really, no. her record isn't that far off of the rest of the pack, and has shifted to the "+" LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #100

Also, her actions caused the democratic party to miss an opportunity Merlot Apr 2019 #29

Bernie, Corey, Harris called for Franken resignation delisen Apr 2019 #40

Well said nt Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #93

Sorry but rule of law does not apply Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #92

Who said I gave the others a pass? Merlot Apr 2019 #113

Full investigation? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #140

Even if he had a gun to his head... tonedevil Apr 2019 #191

No He always had a choice. Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #193

Sure we can go with the idea he had a choice... tonedevil Apr 2019 #194

Not an idea Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #196

I can find myself in agreement... tonedevil Apr 2019 #201

Please stop with the straw man argument Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #206

As if the argument that... tonedevil Apr 2019 #209

Stating the facts Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #210

It is absurd to contended... tonedevil Apr 2019 #222

He still could have stayed and fought on Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #224

Could he have written.. tonedevil Apr 2019 #225

Maybe/Maybe not Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #229

A choice in the tradition of... tonedevil Apr 2019 #230

More like in the tradition of Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #231

I guess I hadn't understood... tonedevil Apr 2019 #233

Not contempt Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #234

OK /nt tonedevil Apr 2019 #235

Bingo....center square wins the prize! Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #31

Perfect-a-mundo!!! leftieNanner Apr 2019 #46

Amen, Velveteen One, AMEN. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #48

+1. Except she didn't jump on the bandwagon. She created the bandwagon. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #57

But there were 7 other women Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #87

We'll never know, will we? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #88

Investigation? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #90

Franken ASKED for that hearing. sfwriter Apr 2019 #109

But then he chose to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #126

Yeah and it was a hit job with jumping on the band wagon. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #98

Any proof that all 7 were lying Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #128

We'll never know, because they weren't interviewed in connection with The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #154

What investigation? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #156

yeah... this. sfwriter Apr 2019 #108

Nailed it The Wizard Apr 2019 #115

This is why Bettie Apr 2019 #142

THIS is perfect!!!! nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #171

First Senator calling for Al to step down, last one I'll support. dem4decades Apr 2019 #7

Al Franken was the victim of a ratf**king. She called for him to resign. rzemanfl Apr 2019 #8

She and over 35 other Senators Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #95

You were up late last night defending her. At least it rzemanfl Apr 2019 #101

So what? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #132

Indidbuteably. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2019 #138

You think, Kirsten? n/t TexasProgresive Apr 2019 #9

I cannot find any compelling reason why she should be the democratic nominee nt msongs Apr 2019 #10

This puts it best. NT enough Apr 2019 #70

ya think? demtenjeep Apr 2019 #11

Quarters 2,3, and 4 will be the same aeromanKC Apr 2019 #14

Maybe she thought being the junior Senator from New York LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #15

She stepped in Hillary's shoes then proceeded to poop on both Clintons LakeArenal Apr 2019 #69

KG was more concerned with building her brznd6 LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #71

+1. The worst bus driver ever dalton99a Apr 2019 #208

Exactly. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #213

Thw hunting and killing of Franken is only half the story flotsam Apr 2019 #16

There has been a lot published about her lack of concern over this young woman's torment. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #49

Corey Booker, Kamela Harris, Bernie Sanders delisen Apr 2019 #20

And it's a black mark on all their records. Merlot Apr 2019 #32

Hmmm. What did they all have in common? Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #38

we saw this the first 4 times you posted demtenjeep Apr 2019 #50

This was my first post on topic; on the others I was asking delisen Apr 2019 #72

!!!!! LakeArenal Apr 2019 #119

And none of them will ever get my vote or money. n/t jaysunb Apr 2019 #60

Duh! Not a surprise. brush Apr 2019 #21

The Franken issue was a big bug in my craw. LiberalFighter Apr 2019 #22

She jumped Cha Apr 2019 #54

Based on what? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #96

She might be right :) walkingman Apr 2019 #23

And she doubled down on Franken just a couple of months ago .. OnDoutside Apr 2019 #24

DUH, Captain Obvious. It's why I won't support her in the primaries. bitterross Apr 2019 #25

No sh*t, Sherlock cp Apr 2019 #26

It wasn't courage. She took a risk and she lost. no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #28

Yeah she a didn't know that her move to get rid of Franken would Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #36

Now there's a stretch if I ever saw one. KPN Apr 2019 #30

Yep. That's how politics work. You make a bad move and it follows you around.. It's called baggage. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #82

No, Kirsten, not just Establishment Democrats Vogon_Glory Apr 2019 #33

It's about judgment......... MyOwnPeace Apr 2019 #34

I was certain that she wanted to run for president and Franken would Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #35

Many saw Gillibrand's Reaction to Franken Being Accused as Opportunistic. Indykatie Apr 2019 #37

Good doc03 Apr 2019 #39

That's not's why your critics are "punishing" you. BlueStater Apr 2019 #43

Glad her campaign is going down in flames. IluvPitties Apr 2019 #44

Gee. I wonder why she might possibly think that? marble falls Apr 2019 #45

Duh nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #47

Frankly my dear I don't give a damn Blue Owl Apr 2019 #51

That memo screams "victim"... SMC22307 Apr 2019 #52

Ya think? Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #53

thoughts and prayers. stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #55

My hunch is this thread may provide some catharsis. fleabiscuit Apr 2019 #58

That is the man reason I would never vote for her.. chillfactor Apr 2019 #59

ya think? barbtries Apr 2019 #61

Congrats Gilly, You Sure Nailed It! DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #62

From the Department Of No Shit, Sherlock. mac56 Apr 2019 #63

DUH!!!! nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #64

Sometimes life just isn't fair, Kirsten. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2019 #65

"Gilly...." mac56 Apr 2019 #66

I guess she should have thought about that back in 2017. George II Apr 2019 #73

It is exactly why she will not get my vote. Nt helpisontheway Apr 2019 #75

Al Franken more beloved than her. Period. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #76

No Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #97

Nice try! Nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #110

No Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #136

You think Historic NY Apr 2019 #77

... for allowing a good person to be "rat f*cked"... zaj Apr 2019 #78

Best news I've heard. Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #80

The fact that Gillibrand and her campaign acknowledge the damage done . . . peggysue2 Apr 2019 #81

Fundraising is hard hotrod0808 Apr 2019 #102

I was one of those who didn't think this was going to hurt her outside of the online community. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #103

I like Al Franken. democratisphere Apr 2019 #107

It continues to astound me that the Franken thing is the hill she thinks is worth dying on. BlueStater Apr 2019 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #116

Gillibrand unable to apoligize for her actions agsinst Franken is seen the same way by many beachbum bob Apr 2019 #117

I will never forgive her for leading the charge against Franken Bayard Apr 2019 #120

I have to say that I also resent that she keeps calling every accusation against him "credible". BlueStater Apr 2019 #122

She'll be calling Franken. zipplewrath Apr 2019 #124

I will give KG credit for being resolute that it was the right thing to do aikoaiko Apr 2019 #125

Good Faux pas Apr 2019 #127

Silver lining: She is a good Senator and we need her in the Senate. For real. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #131

I am not going to to contribute to Gillibrand due to the treatment of Al Franken Gothmog Apr 2019 #135

I'm glad she's finally hearing the opinion of the masses via lousy fund raising. Vinca Apr 2019 #137

She and over 35 other Senators Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #159

Kirsten Gillibrand is my Senator and I agree with her. Rustynaerduwell Apr 2019 #139

What facts? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #141

What critical examination of the facts ever occurred? Rustynaerduwell Apr 2019 #147

Was there any proof Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #152

It's in the same location as proof to the contrary. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #155

There was no hearing Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #157

He resigned only because he'd been sandbagged and realized that he couldn't be effective The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #160

No one held a gun to his head Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #161

+1000 USALiberal Apr 2019 #221

Another Gilibrand campaign memo links the Pope to Catholicism. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #145

Damn straight, Skippy lillypaddle Apr 2019 #163

al franken pamdb Apr 2019 #176

Well duh? (Nt) matt819 Apr 2019 #179

in other news, water is wet shanny Apr 2019 #180

Step aside, Kirsten - you have zero chance; just like you gave Al donkeypoofed Apr 2019 #202

I don't see it as 'punishing her for standing up for the rights of women,' though PatrickforO Apr 2019 #216

... Soxfan58 Apr 2019 #226

y'know...thats the first thing i think of when i see her or hear/read about her... samnsara Apr 2019 #227

How perceptive of them! TruckFump Apr 2019 #228

You reap what you sow. McCamy Taylor Apr 2019 #238

She isn't that interesting of a candidate Trenzalore Apr 2019 #240

This message was self-deleted by its author tymorial Apr 2019 #251