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Celerity

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164. it was far more than just one woman who came forward and you give far too much power to a Jr.

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:23 PM

Apr 2019

Senator from New York. If she is truly that powerful, she should be the minority leader., not Schumer.

Schumer had to give the ok for it all. If he didn't know what they were all planning then he is woefully out of touch with his own caucus, and if he said no, and they all went ahead ahead anyway he is incredibly weak.

I see so many people here want to have a pantomime villain, and you all settle on Gillibrand, because it suites your narrative. Too bad the actual facts betray you. Franken could have easily stayed on if he felt he was getting railroaded by one minor Senator. The fact that all but one of his colleagues (the other 4 who didn't were legally tied up) told him to resign and he did shows that it was far more than Gillibrand at the heart of it.

To single her and her alone out as the 'sorceress' behind the web of some intricate Machiavellian plot is nothing more than typical burn the witch scapegoating.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Gillibrand campaign links low fundraising to Al Franken backlash: memo [View all] left-of-center2012 Apr 2019 OP

Oh well🙄 we can do it Apr 2019 #1

But Warren also called for Franken to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #84

I think that speaks more to Warren's strengths. sfwriter Apr 2019 #104

Strengths? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #133

Blindly following? Buzz cook Apr 2019 #146

She still called on him to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #148

Its a double standard? Buzz cook Apr 2019 #150

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #143

Maybe Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #149

I really liked her on The Office prodigitalson Apr 2019 #214

LOL Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #215

But Gillibrand lead the charge. zentrum Apr 2019 #204

So many factual errors Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #207

Why do any of us need to provide 'links? PatrickforO Apr 2019 #217

You got that right... KG is done. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #232

That's my reason why I wouldn't support her kimbutgar Apr 2019 #2

Why? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #94

Franken's ability to cross examine ... sfwriter Apr 2019 #105

+1 pandr32 Apr 2019 #129

Really? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #134

Bingo! Champion Jack Apr 2019 #158

Franken's state would have a better Senator, for one, that proved countless times PatrickforO Apr 2019 #218

Damn straight! Mme. Defarge Apr 2019 #203

She ain't wrong Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #3

Amen Jane Austin Apr 2019 #6

But Warren was part the Franken thing. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #67

No! Circular firing squad comment :( sharedvalues Apr 2019 #83

No there isn't Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #85

Not true. sharedvalues Apr 2019 #99

actually it is true, all Democratic Senators except 5 called in public or private for him to resign Celerity Apr 2019 #118

You'll never convince them... brooklynite Apr 2019 #121

all I can do is post the actual facts, what anyone chooses to do with them is up to them Celerity Apr 2019 #123

She led the charge from jump...for those of us who lived it Baltimike Apr 2019 #162

it was far more than just one woman who came forward and you give far too much power to a Jr. Celerity Apr 2019 #164

Oh it suuuuuure was 'more than one woman'...it was Roger Stone's SUCKER BET Baltimike Apr 2019 #167

Unfortunately the facts don't fit your narrative. Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #172

Yes it does Baltimike Apr 2019 #174

Any proof of that? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #182

Yup. Baltimike Apr 2019 #184

Lived it? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #187

Yup. LIVED it Baltimike Apr 2019 #188

Nice try. No dice. Baltimike Apr 2019 #190

So you can't provide any links Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #192

Nice try (again). No dice (again) Baltimike Apr 2019 #195

No dice? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #197

There you go again Baltimike Apr 2019 #198

Either provide Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #199

Post #175 Baltimike Apr 2019 #200

Every post Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #205

LOL. Suuuuuuure it does Baltimike Apr 2019 #211

Still no links Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #212

ROFL!! Baltimike Apr 2019 #220

Then post links that Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #223

There you go again! Baltimike Apr 2019 #236

Still no links Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #237

still going... Baltimike Apr 2019 #239

So you admit that it is just your opinion Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #241

and going... Baltimike Apr 2019 #242

Prove your alleged "facts" Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #243

are you saying you haven't bothered to do a simple google search before Baltimike Apr 2019 #244

Admit you're WRONG now. Thanks Baltimike Apr 2019 #245

Did you bother to read the links. Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #254

funny thing I have noticed about some people who toss out the buzzy buzzy meme Celerity Apr 2019 #177

see post 175. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #189

Man. Me too. It's like they didn't live through this or something. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #246

Funny thing I have noticed was the ACTUAL GASLIGHTING pretending Gilibrand Baltimike Apr 2019 #248

Oh, and scapegoating my royal Irish ass. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #168

if the shoe fits....... Celerity Apr 2019 #169

It doesn't. Baltimike Apr 2019 #170

She tried to make money off Franken's downfall for her campaign not too long ago. BlueStater Apr 2019 #175

No she was made the face of it Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #181

And by trying to make money off of it, she's doing nothing to dissociate herself from it. BlueStater Apr 2019 #185

OK Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #186

No. She MADE HERSELF the face of it Baltimike Apr 2019 #247

nope, it was a group effort, but keep on spinning Celerity Apr 2019 #249

Since announcing as a Presidential candidate... tonedevil Apr 2019 #250

thank you. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #253

Gilibrand was INDEED the first to call for his resignation Baltimike Apr 2019 #252

she posted on FB first, but literally 10 or 15 more posted and went on telly within minutes and they Celerity Apr 2019 #256

No Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #255

Nice try. No dice. They prove she led the way. Baltimike Apr 2019 #257

No they didn't prove that Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #258

Good post Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #144

It was over 40 others, all but 5 (and 4 of them either could not (3) or chose not (Menendez) Celerity Apr 2019 #165

Very true Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #166

+++++++ JHan Apr 2019 #173

Bs. the truth is the truth. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #111

Warren and Booker were not first. sfwriter Apr 2019 #106

Well I'm glad the post above brought up circular firing squad LakeArenal Apr 2019 #114

Raise her visibility? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #130

Indeed. I'm the littlest of the little, and I will not be donating to her campaign, PatrickforO Apr 2019 #219

They're just not that into you. TeamPooka Apr 2019 #4

Yup. Sucks to be her n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #56

But Harris also called for Franken to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #86

Angry because she "stood up for women who came forward with allegations The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #5

This post!👍 Va Lefty Apr 2019 #12

This +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 demtenjeep Apr 2019 #13

You go! Wellstone ruled Apr 2019 #17

Kamela Harris called for Franken resignation. delisen Apr 2019 #41

Kamala Harris would be a much better President too. wasupaloopa Apr 2019 #74

But she also called for Franken to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #89

She would make a great president Gillibrand wouldn't wasupaloopa Apr 2019 #151

Yet Harris was the first to go on TV Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #153

here is the video btw Celerity Apr 2019 #178

Thanks Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #183

... NanceGreggs Apr 2019 #18

Well said! LuvNewcastle Apr 2019 #19

THIS catrose Apr 2019 #27

How do you give a pass to Kamela Harris? delisen Apr 2019 #42

Or Sanders, or Booker or Warren. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #68

None of them get a pass from me, and Harris gained her seat on Judiciary because Franken LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #79

So having the most anti-Trump voting record Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #91

Not really, no. her record isn't that far off of the rest of the pack, and has shifted to the "+" LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #100

Also, her actions caused the democratic party to miss an opportunity Merlot Apr 2019 #29

Bernie, Corey, Harris called for Franken resignation delisen Apr 2019 #40

Well said nt Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #93

Sorry but rule of law does not apply Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #92

Who said I gave the others a pass? Merlot Apr 2019 #113

Full investigation? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #140

Even if he had a gun to his head... tonedevil Apr 2019 #191

No He always had a choice. Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #193

Sure we can go with the idea he had a choice... tonedevil Apr 2019 #194

Not an idea Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #196

I can find myself in agreement... tonedevil Apr 2019 #201

Please stop with the straw man argument Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #206

As if the argument that... tonedevil Apr 2019 #209

Stating the facts Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #210

It is absurd to contended... tonedevil Apr 2019 #222

He still could have stayed and fought on Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #224

Could he have written.. tonedevil Apr 2019 #225

Maybe/Maybe not Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #229

A choice in the tradition of... tonedevil Apr 2019 #230

More like in the tradition of Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #231

I guess I hadn't understood... tonedevil Apr 2019 #233

Not contempt Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #234

OK /nt tonedevil Apr 2019 #235

Bingo....center square wins the prize! Funtatlaguy Apr 2019 #31

Perfect-a-mundo!!! leftieNanner Apr 2019 #46

Amen, Velveteen One, AMEN. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #48

+1. Except she didn't jump on the bandwagon. She created the bandwagon. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #57

But there were 7 other women Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #87

We'll never know, will we? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #88

Investigation? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #90

Franken ASKED for that hearing. sfwriter Apr 2019 #109

But then he chose to resign Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #126

Yeah and it was a hit job with jumping on the band wagon. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #98

Any proof that all 7 were lying Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #128

We'll never know, because they weren't interviewed in connection with The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #154

What investigation? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #156

yeah... this. sfwriter Apr 2019 #108

Nailed it The Wizard Apr 2019 #115

This is why Bettie Apr 2019 #142

THIS is perfect!!!! nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #171

First Senator calling for Al to step down, last one I'll support. dem4decades Apr 2019 #7

Al Franken was the victim of a ratf**king. She called for him to resign. rzemanfl Apr 2019 #8

She and over 35 other Senators Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #95

You were up late last night defending her. At least it rzemanfl Apr 2019 #101

So what? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #132

Indidbuteably. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2019 #138

You think, Kirsten? n/t TexasProgresive Apr 2019 #9

I cannot find any compelling reason why she should be the democratic nominee nt msongs Apr 2019 #10

This puts it best. NT enough Apr 2019 #70

ya think? demtenjeep Apr 2019 #11

Quarters 2,3, and 4 will be the same aeromanKC Apr 2019 #14

Maybe she thought being the junior Senator from New York LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #15

She stepped in Hillary's shoes then proceeded to poop on both Clintons LakeArenal Apr 2019 #69

KG was more concerned with building her brznd6 LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #71

+1. The worst bus driver ever dalton99a Apr 2019 #208

Exactly. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #213

Thw hunting and killing of Franken is only half the story flotsam Apr 2019 #16

There has been a lot published about her lack of concern over this young woman's torment. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #49

Corey Booker, Kamela Harris, Bernie Sanders delisen Apr 2019 #20

And it's a black mark on all their records. Merlot Apr 2019 #32

Hmmm. What did they all have in common? Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #38

we saw this the first 4 times you posted demtenjeep Apr 2019 #50

This was my first post on topic; on the others I was asking delisen Apr 2019 #72

!!!!! LakeArenal Apr 2019 #119

And none of them will ever get my vote or money. n/t jaysunb Apr 2019 #60

Duh! Not a surprise. brush Apr 2019 #21

The Franken issue was a big bug in my craw. LiberalFighter Apr 2019 #22

She jumped Cha Apr 2019 #54

Based on what? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #96

She might be right :) walkingman Apr 2019 #23

And she doubled down on Franken just a couple of months ago .. OnDoutside Apr 2019 #24

DUH, Captain Obvious. It's why I won't support her in the primaries. bitterross Apr 2019 #25

No sh*t, Sherlock cp Apr 2019 #26

It wasn't courage. She took a risk and she lost. no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #28

Yeah she a didn't know that her move to get rid of Franken would Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #36

Now there's a stretch if I ever saw one. KPN Apr 2019 #30

Yep. That's how politics work. You make a bad move and it follows you around.. It's called baggage. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #82

No, Kirsten, not just Establishment Democrats Vogon_Glory Apr 2019 #33

It's about judgment......... MyOwnPeace Apr 2019 #34

I was certain that she wanted to run for president and Franken would Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #35

Many saw Gillibrand's Reaction to Franken Being Accused as Opportunistic. Indykatie Apr 2019 #37

Good doc03 Apr 2019 #39

That's not's why your critics are "punishing" you. BlueStater Apr 2019 #43

Glad her campaign is going down in flames. IluvPitties Apr 2019 #44

Gee. I wonder why she might possibly think that? marble falls Apr 2019 #45

Duh nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #47

Frankly my dear I don't give a damn Blue Owl Apr 2019 #51

That memo screams "victim"... SMC22307 Apr 2019 #52

Ya think? Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #53

thoughts and prayers. stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #55

My hunch is this thread may provide some catharsis. fleabiscuit Apr 2019 #58

That is the man reason I would never vote for her.. chillfactor Apr 2019 #59

ya think? barbtries Apr 2019 #61

Congrats Gilly, You Sure Nailed It! DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #62

From the Department Of No Shit, Sherlock. mac56 Apr 2019 #63

DUH!!!! nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #64

Sometimes life just isn't fair, Kirsten. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2019 #65

"Gilly...." mac56 Apr 2019 #66

I guess she should have thought about that back in 2017. George II Apr 2019 #73

It is exactly why she will not get my vote. Nt helpisontheway Apr 2019 #75

Al Franken more beloved than her. Period. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #76

No Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #97

Nice try! Nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #110

No Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #136

You think Historic NY Apr 2019 #77

... for allowing a good person to be "rat f*cked"... zaj Apr 2019 #78

Best news I've heard. Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #80

The fact that Gillibrand and her campaign acknowledge the damage done . . . peggysue2 Apr 2019 #81

Fundraising is hard hotrod0808 Apr 2019 #102

I was one of those who didn't think this was going to hurt her outside of the online community. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #103

I like Al Franken. democratisphere Apr 2019 #107

It continues to astound me that the Franken thing is the hill she thinks is worth dying on. BlueStater Apr 2019 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #116

Gillibrand unable to apoligize for her actions agsinst Franken is seen the same way by many beachbum bob Apr 2019 #117

I will never forgive her for leading the charge against Franken Bayard Apr 2019 #120

I have to say that I also resent that she keeps calling every accusation against him "credible". BlueStater Apr 2019 #122

She'll be calling Franken. zipplewrath Apr 2019 #124

I will give KG credit for being resolute that it was the right thing to do aikoaiko Apr 2019 #125

Good Faux pas Apr 2019 #127

Silver lining: She is a good Senator and we need her in the Senate. For real. EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #131

I am not going to to contribute to Gillibrand due to the treatment of Al Franken Gothmog Apr 2019 #135

I'm glad she's finally hearing the opinion of the masses via lousy fund raising. Vinca Apr 2019 #137

She and over 35 other Senators Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #159

Kirsten Gillibrand is my Senator and I agree with her. Rustynaerduwell Apr 2019 #139

What facts? Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #141

What critical examination of the facts ever occurred? Rustynaerduwell Apr 2019 #147

Was there any proof Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #152

It's in the same location as proof to the contrary. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #155

There was no hearing Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #157

He resigned only because he'd been sandbagged and realized that he couldn't be effective The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #160

No one held a gun to his head Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #161

+1000 USALiberal Apr 2019 #221

Another Gilibrand campaign memo links the Pope to Catholicism. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #145

Damn straight, Skippy lillypaddle Apr 2019 #163

al franken pamdb Apr 2019 #176

Well duh? (Nt) matt819 Apr 2019 #179

in other news, water is wet shanny Apr 2019 #180

Step aside, Kirsten - you have zero chance; just like you gave Al donkeypoofed Apr 2019 #202

I don't see it as 'punishing her for standing up for the rights of women,' though PatrickforO Apr 2019 #216

... Soxfan58 Apr 2019 #226

y'know...thats the first thing i think of when i see her or hear/read about her... samnsara Apr 2019 #227

How perceptive of them! TruckFump Apr 2019 #228

You reap what you sow. McCamy Taylor Apr 2019 #238

She isn't that interesting of a candidate Trenzalore Apr 2019 #240

This message was self-deleted by its author tymorial Apr 2019 #251