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In reply to the discussion: Gillibrand campaign links low fundraising to Al Franken backlash: memo [View all]Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)254. Did you bother to read the links.
First, none say that Gillibrand "led the charge", just that she was the first to call for his resignation and was followed immediately by several other Senators.
As stated in the CNN article:
(CNN)Nearly three weeks after sexual harassment allegations first emerged against Sen. Al Franken, a wave of Democratic senators in coordination and following a flurry of text messages and phone calls called for his resignation in rapid succession Wednesday morning.
Starting around 11:30 a.m. ET, the senators posted statements in a coordinated effort, one after the other, on social media, saying the Minnesota Democrat should step down.
Starting around 11:30 a.m. ET, the senators posted statements in a coordinated effort, one after the other, on social media, saying the Minnesota Democrat should step down.
Women Democratic senators had been talking behind the scenes for at least the past week about how to deal with Franken, multiple aides told CNN. But those talks reached a tipping point Wednesday morning, they said, when Politico published a report at 9 a.m. ET of another woman alleging that Franken touched her inappropriately in 2006, before he was elected to office.
The story prompted a flurry of calls and texts between Senate offices within minutes, and it was decided sometime between then and about 10:30 a.m. ET that the women senators would go public in a show of unity with their desire for Franken to step aside.
"Their patience had worn incredibly thin," said an aide to one of the women senators.
Soon after that, Franken was given a heads up about what was coming, according to an aide to one of the women senators.
The story prompted a flurry of calls and texts between Senate offices within minutes, and it was decided sometime between then and about 10:30 a.m. ET that the women senators would go public in a show of unity with their desire for Franken to step aside.
"Their patience had worn incredibly thin," said an aide to one of the women senators.
Soon after that, Franken was given a heads up about what was coming, according to an aide to one of the women senators.
The Daily Beast article confirms this:
A spate of female Democratic senators, starting with Kirsten Gillibrand, called upon their colleague Al Franken to resign amid mounting sexual-harassment allegations against him.
Immediately after Gillibrand posted her statement, several other prominent female Democratic senators came forward to call for Frankens exitincluding Sens. Kamala Harris, Maggie Hassan, Claire McCaskill, Mazie Hirono, Tammy Baldwin, and Patty Murray.
Neither said that Gillibrand led the charge just that she was the first and was immediately followed by others in a co-ordinated effort.
Nor do any confirm that Gillibrand began any effort three weeks earlier as you claimed:
Those antecedent three weeks are when Gilibrand led the charge.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=71332
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=71332
The other two are opinion pieces, not news. But maybe you should have bothered to read the Slate article that states:
When seven women accused thenMinnesota Sen. Al Franken of sexual harassment or abuse last winter, Democrats were put in a tight spot. If they demanded Frankens resignation for alleged acts far less severe than those the sitting president has been accused of perpetrating, theyd lose a reliably progressiveand extremely popularwomens rights advocate in the Senate in order to claim a moral high ground the GOP has no interest in competing for. If they let Franken stay, theyd be normalizing sexual exploitation as a thing powerful men inevitably do, and any future calls they might make for alleged abusers to step down from public office could be dismissed as hollow and hypocritical.
If Gillibrand hadnt called for Frankens resignation, it would have been fair to label her an opportunist, because shed have been contravening her beliefs to avoid upsetting donors and causing intraparty conflict. In that sense, accusations of opportunism from aggravated donors are self-refuting. If she was behaving disingenuously to gain support, then wheres the support?
Even if Gillibrand ends up losing more than she gains as a result of her stance, Democratic Party boosters shouldnt be badmouthing her for spearheading the movement to hold Franken accountable. They should be thanking her for saving the Democratic Partys reputation among young voters who have plenty of reasons to think Democrats are just as corrupt and sleazy as Republicans. Women whove been moved for the first time to progressive activism by the #MeToo movement and the presidency of an accused sexual abuser could easily be disillusioned by a party without principles.
All the donors directing disapproving slights at Gillibrand over the past year ([Gillibrand] did the damage that Republicans could not do themselves; what she did for women in politics was dreadful) have sidestepped one major thread of this story: sexual harassment and abuse. These are people more eager to fault a woman for opportunismfor having the audacity to lead on an issue she cares about, possibly with the hope of becoming president somedaythan to take bold measures to keep alleged gropers out of public office. The Democratic donors abandoning Gillibrand accuse her of putting politics over principle, of protecting her own career at the expense of Frankens. Theyre either too stubborn or too stupid to realize that theyre guilty of a much more despicable offense: protecting party loyalty at the expense of all women.
All the donors directing disapproving slights at Gillibrand over the past year ([Gillibrand] did the damage that Republicans could not do themselves; what she did for women in politics was dreadful) have sidestepped one major thread of this story: sexual harassment and abuse. These are people more eager to fault a woman for opportunismfor having the audacity to lead on an issue she cares about, possibly with the hope of becoming president somedaythan to take bold measures to keep alleged gropers out of public office. The Democratic donors abandoning Gillibrand accuse her of putting politics over principle, of protecting her own career at the expense of Frankens. Theyre either too stubborn or too stupid to realize that theyre guilty of a much more despicable offense: protecting party loyalty at the expense of all women.
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Gillibrand campaign links low fundraising to Al Franken backlash: memo [View all]
left-of-center2012
Apr 2019
OP
Franken's state would have a better Senator, for one, that proved countless times
PatrickforO
Apr 2019
#218
actually it is true, all Democratic Senators except 5 called in public or private for him to resign
Celerity
Apr 2019
#118
all I can do is post the actual facts, what anyone chooses to do with them is up to them
Celerity
Apr 2019
#123
it was far more than just one woman who came forward and you give far too much power to a Jr.
Celerity
Apr 2019
#164
funny thing I have noticed about some people who toss out the buzzy buzzy meme
Celerity
Apr 2019
#177
She tried to make money off Franken's downfall for her campaign not too long ago.
BlueStater
Apr 2019
#175
And by trying to make money off of it, she's doing nothing to dissociate herself from it.
BlueStater
Apr 2019
#185
she posted on FB first, but literally 10 or 15 more posted and went on telly within minutes and they
Celerity
Apr 2019
#256
It was over 40 others, all but 5 (and 4 of them either could not (3) or chose not (Menendez)
Celerity
Apr 2019
#165
Indeed. I'm the littlest of the little, and I will not be donating to her campaign,
PatrickforO
Apr 2019
#219
Angry because she "stood up for women who came forward with allegations
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#5
None of them get a pass from me, and Harris gained her seat on Judiciary because Franken
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#79
Not really, no. her record isn't that far off of the rest of the pack, and has shifted to the "+"
LongtimeAZDem
Apr 2019
#100
We'll never know, because they weren't interviewed in connection with
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#154
There has been a lot published about her lack of concern over this young woman's torment.
Haggis for Breakfast
Apr 2019
#49
Yep. That's how politics work. You make a bad move and it follows you around.. It's called baggage.
LakeArenal
Apr 2019
#82
I was one of those who didn't think this was going to hurt her outside of the online community.
WeekiWater
Apr 2019
#103
It continues to astound me that the Franken thing is the hill she thinks is worth dying on.
BlueStater
Apr 2019
#112
Gillibrand unable to apoligize for her actions agsinst Franken is seen the same way by many
beachbum bob
Apr 2019
#117
I have to say that I also resent that she keeps calling every accusation against him "credible".
BlueStater
Apr 2019
#122
Silver lining: She is a good Senator and we need her in the Senate. For real.
EveHammond13
Apr 2019
#131
I am not going to to contribute to Gillibrand due to the treatment of Al Franken
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#135
I'm glad she's finally hearing the opinion of the masses via lousy fund raising.
Vinca
Apr 2019
#137
He resigned only because he'd been sandbagged and realized that he couldn't be effective
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#160
I don't see it as 'punishing her for standing up for the rights of women,' though
PatrickforO
Apr 2019
#216
y'know...thats the first thing i think of when i see her or hear/read about her...
samnsara
Apr 2019
#227