Democratic Primaries

Hortensis

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58. Fiendish, the 3/4 who voted for Hillary are US, fellow Democrats.

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:19 PM

Apr 2019

This discussion is about the other quarter of Sanders voters who were instrumental in electing Trump, a Republican-controlled congress, and hundreds of Republcans to governorships, state legislatures, and judicial seats.

In an era when most elections will be won or lost by narrow margins, this is an important subject for all those who currently have no intention of voting for any Democrat...except Sanders. Our votes don't create power so much as they only determine WHO will get it. As Trump so dreadfully illustrates.

Everyone in that quarter of Sanders supporters who voted third party in 2016 effectively helped elect Trump, and they own all that's happened since. Not just the 12% who voted for Trump.

These people need to know all the atrocities and attacks on progressivism are their legacy so they can either vote Democrat to stop the Republicans or refuse to repeat their hypocrisy by voting directly Republican.

But we have to face the reality that most are already determined once again to NOT vote Democrat if Sanders is not the nominee, which means they will not vote Democrat in 2020. These are, by far, not our people to keep, they're Trump's to lose to third-party candidates. And those caught up on the wrong side of this need to understand it; only the most extreme literally cannot change their minds.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2019 OP

How many PUMA's voted for Someone other than Obama in the general in 2008? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #1

In my opinion, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #3

re: "any Democratic voter who votes for a GOP candidate as some type of protest vote..." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #12

Excellent points, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16

re: "an informed* voter might see that as a reason to vote for the eventual nominee." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #25

True. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #38

For a few elections there has been a push to get out the vote artislife Apr 2019 #48

This is incorrect. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #4

And 76% of Hillary voters voted for Senator Obama in 2008 CentralMass Apr 2019 #30

That doesn't correct the post. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #32

Sorry. I agree with your post completely. I was adding the other detail for contrast. CentralMass Apr 2019 #35

Here's a further detail for contrast. lapucelle Apr 2019 #56

Lets looks at that. CentralMass Apr 2019 #57

Wisconsin is a great argument for closed primaries.The gutting of the Voting Rights Act lapucelle Apr 2019 #63

So basically, she didn't lose votes she would have gotten.nt artislife Apr 2019 #67

There were a lot of factors. One was the Milwaukee had 41,000 fewer votes CentralMass Apr 2019 #71

I read that Milwaukee artislife Apr 2019 #72

I sincerely doubt it's that high. namahage Apr 2019 #8

Here is a link to one of a number of good articles on the subject. CentralMass Apr 2019 #31

Puma is an attack on Democrats. And Hillary worked her ass off in the general. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #9

Your opinion may be correct but PUMA, the pac and organization existed. CentralMass Apr 2019 #73

It doesn't exist and puma was mostly Gop pretending to be supporters . Look at the website if you Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #80

The organization existed until 2011. It was founded and run by a Democrat, Darragh Murphy CentralMass Apr 2019 #85

It was right wing and a smear. They didn't elect Romney in any case as Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #86

The article reported the # was 80%; 8% didn't vote spooky3 Apr 2019 #10

around 30% total of Hillary 2008 primary voters did not vote for Obama in the general Celerity Apr 2019 #29

Excellent points. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #39

Agree, but their choices were VERY different from spooky3 Apr 2019 #53

he was a super dangerous neocon war hawk though, a nightmare waiting to happen Celerity Apr 2019 #59

And let's not forget Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #60

But in a completely different league from this cabal-- spooky3 Apr 2019 #61

*** 9% of Obama Primary Voters voted McCain in the GE *** crazytown Apr 2019 #62

but 25% is almost triple the rate of Obama to McCain primary switches, and around double Celerity Apr 2019 #70

Right. crazytown Apr 2019 #75

That's a good distinction, primary "voters", not as some here have said, primary "supporters" - George II Apr 2019 #90

How many? Not enough to deny Obama the White House. lapucelle Apr 2019 #55

Fiendish, the 3/4 who voted for Hillary are US, fellow Democrats. Hortensis Apr 2019 #58

88 percent doesn't wash the stench off the 12 percent who voted for fucking trump. Stay the fuck... brush Apr 2019 #77

I think we need to look at more than that one metric. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #2

Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #6

And how can we motivate them.... WeekiWater Apr 2019 #18

That is the question, is it not? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #40

The same kind of thing is reflected in current polling FBaggins Apr 2019 #5

At this point, we are looking at multiple matches. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #7

Quite a few... but not as a protest FBaggins Apr 2019 #17

Thank you posters artislife Apr 2019 #49

Interesting viewpoint. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #46

re: "I can see no rational reason that any voter who supported Sanders would have chosen Trump" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #11

But of the two, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #13

Honestly... how could ANYONE vote for Trump, but especially someone who'd supported Sanders? hlthe2b Apr 2019 #14

No, I personally cannot. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #19

There were a number of people in closed-primary states UrbScotty Apr 2019 #15

And they would be in that 12% that voted for Trump in the general election. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #20

Agreed and these people are not "swing" voters. n/t MarcA Apr 2019 #36

And here's how many Hillary suporters voted for McCain. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #21

ty Go Vols Apr 2019 #24

Once again, that doesn't seem to radical noodle Apr 2019 #81

I knew several women personally who radical noodle Apr 2019 #83

There's another side of this - not all Bernie votes were really for Bernie FakeNoose Apr 2019 #22

Nice points. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #41

I can almost guarantee there radical noodle Apr 2019 #82

How many voted for Bernie as a write in ? MichMan Apr 2019 #23

IIRC 90 million elgible voters didn't vote. Mosby Apr 2019 #26

And that is a huge problem. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #42

some people just vote as a middle finger to something or someone qazplm135 Apr 2019 #27

The unmotivated include the young, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #43

partially then again qazplm135 Apr 2019 #47

This number, relative to previous election is small. A study of the 2008 CentralMass Apr 2019 #28

The engineered angry frenzy against Hillary Clinton BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #33

Thank you. I have posted here, several times, that we may never know how many did question everything Apr 2019 #34

I agree with your analysis about motivation for some Sanders/Trump voters. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #44

I believe that was the movement of 2016 artislife Apr 2019 #50

My son's girlfriend supported Bernie. Then voted for Stein in the general election. Nt helpisontheway Apr 2019 #37

Assuming that he voted for her because she ran as a Green, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #45

Something else may be in play artislife Apr 2019 #52

The reality of US politics is that it is a two party system at the national level. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #64

Yes, but the more votes the other parties get artislife Apr 2019 #66

True, but if the goal is to make policy, guillaumeb Apr 2019 #68

I agree with your last sentence artislife Apr 2019 #69

Voting for HRC added to her winning vote margin. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #74

Enough.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #51

There are many reasons. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #65

Bernie isn't bringing any of those voters back zaj Apr 2019 #54

An opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #76

Why he should not get the nomination he held out to the very end when it was beyond him Historic NY Apr 2019 #78

Should he have conceded earlier? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #79

You guys keep saying that, but Hillary stayed in late too. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #84

I recall that. David__77 Apr 2019 #89

how many of them are regular faux state news viewers? pstokely Apr 2019 #87

That is outside of the scope of the survey. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #88