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MineralMan

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15. Well, if the Russians' goal was to attack Hillary Clinton,
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:07 AM
Apr 2019

which it probably was, what better way than to support a Democratic primary candidate who wouldn't win against her, but whose supporters could be made angry at her, thus suppressing voter turnout in the General Election.

While some might think the Russians aren't smart enough to use that kind of strategic influence, they're wrong. If Russia's goal was to put the idiot, Trump, in the White House, getting Democrats not to vote for Clinton in the general election would be essential. As it was, only 90,000 total votes in three states, MI, WI, and PA, made all the difference. Apparently, Minnesota was also targeted and turned in a surprisingly low margin for Hillary Clinton in November of 2016. They almost influenced enough people in MN to swing that state, too.

Now, it's 2020. We have another well-known Democrat who is well-liked about to enter the primary race. Joe Biden might well be the very best person to run against Trump in 2020, in terms of ensuring a Democratic victory. So, if the Russians would like to keep the idiot, Trump, in office, they might try the same tactic again and attempt to poison voters against voting for Biden in the general election.

How will we know? We'll know if we see people who supposedly are Sanders supporter trashing Joe Biden heavily during the primaries. If we see that, the reason may be the same as poisoning the well for Hillary Clinton in the last primary season. One can help a candidate win by either stimulating support for that candidate or poisoning the most likely opponent of that candidate during the primary race. How to do that? Pick the candidate most likely to come in second among Democrats and support that candidate while attacking the leading candidate.

It's pretty simple, really, and we should be able to spot such efforts quite easily. That doesn't mean, though, that such a manipulation won't work. It worked in 2016 just fine.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I wonder why Barr left virtually everything around that sentence blacked out? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #1
Probably because that sentence is already public information. It's been in numerous reports. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #4
It also reflects no context whatsoever. n/t Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #5
Because the context is part of an ongoing investigation. Actually, now that I think about it, pnwmom Apr 2019 #8
Might that ongoing investigation be beneficial to Bernie? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #30
Mueller's statement months ago was that the Russians Hortensis Apr 2019 #23
x1000! peggysue2 Apr 2019 #24
"Russians supported Sanders in order to elect Trump. mitch96 Apr 2019 #27
Oh, absolutely. Putin would support anyone to defeat Democrats. Hortensis Apr 2019 #32
Looks like they did say. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #17
I wonder what the "ongoing matter" is... N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #2
I have my thoughts. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #12
Do they still support him for 2020? Botany Apr 2019 #3
Big surprise murielm99 Apr 2019 #6
+1 This is old news but many are in denial.... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #18
That is the big question 4now Apr 2019 #7
Russians, a foreign entity, supported Sanders. democratisphere Apr 2019 #9
I'm shocked, shocked! Freddie Apr 2019 #11
I see some signs that they are nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #10
Bit odd that this is the only thing left unaltered. Lancero Apr 2019 #13
yes, social media is full of pro Sanders and pro gabbard shit while attacking JI7 Apr 2019 #14
Well, if the Russians' goal was to attack Hillary Clinton, MineralMan Apr 2019 #15
Sanders is now a Russia target, along with a few other Dem candidates Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #16
Warren, Harris, and Beto are the only candidates mentioned as being targeted with negative lapucelle Apr 2019 #31
If that was the case, we would probably see FOX news promoting Sanders as well LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #19
Hummmm . . . peggysue2 Apr 2019 #25
I doubt they'll do anything obvious, like hosting pro-Sanders town halls LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #28
No, certainly not peggysue2 Apr 2019 #29
I think Russia wanted to help Bernie and Stein..nt helpisontheway Apr 2019 #20
It is in Putin's interest to give Trump another term. dalton99a Apr 2019 #21
Kick Cha Apr 2019 #22
Kick. sarcasmo Apr 2019 #26
I think Russia will support anyone who can lose to Trump. Had Bernie come out the gate as the Autumn Apr 2019 #33
Russia supported sanders in 2016 because he could not win and same applies now Gothmog Apr 2019 #34
I agree. LonePirate Apr 2019 #35
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