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CTyankee

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189. I SAID that, damnit!I said it in the original post! When is enough enough?

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:02 PM

Apr 2019

I have always liked you and your posts, VO, so I want to tell you my feelings about this. Frankly, I am surprised, but shouldn't be, that once this all got started there might be a massive pile-on. It's crazy. If you need convincing, just go back and read what I said. I said it was Brock. I referenced his book and provided a link. The media has said just what I said and I gave links that proved what I was saying was accurate. What more am I expected to do?

Now there are dark mutterings about what I "really" meant (once my accusers were faced with proof they were wrong). As if I had an ulterior motive! Where does that come from? I have to wonder why. Now, after all these years on DU, I have been turned into a "concern troll." There is a HISTORY here of my conduct on this website.

Sorry to unload this on you. I am just hoping you will see the injustice in all this.

Thank you, VO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] CTyankee Apr 2019 OP

actually i had never heard that saying until just now.. samnsara Apr 2019 #1

I think you'll hear it pretty soon...I wouldn't be surprised... CTyankee Apr 2019 #3

Why are YOU associating what someone else said with Biden? What is your purpose? Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #23

My question also. cwydro Apr 2019 #37

Fair question... if Joe said it, show where he said it, otherwise, completely unfair to bring it up. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #55

Biden did NOT say this. David Brock said it in a 1993 book 2 years later. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #72

Did he say it himself, or attribute it to Biden? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #107

Brock wrote it in 1993 book called "The Real Anita Hill" defending Clarence Thomas. ucrdem Apr 2019 #112

And I referenced the book's origins in a RW rag in my OP. Go back and read what I wrote. CTyankee Apr 2019 #222

But the "disgraceful lie" is yours alone. ucrdem Apr 2019 #255

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2019 #155

It won't work DownriverDem Apr 2019 #26

+1 Chin music Apr 2019 #232

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #38

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2019 #45

You'll hear it a lot after Biden announces. The one thing you can count on Republicans Autumn Apr 2019 #6

They will be doing it against every Democratic candidate they think can get the nomination. still_one Apr 2019 #43

Exactly. Lefta Dissenter Apr 2019 #256

Believe me, it is not forgotten by those who live through that time. NT enough Apr 2019 #18

Why? Biden didn't say that. It has nothing to do with him, any more than w/Kamala Harris. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #24

We need Biden DownriverDem Apr 2019 #28

Then why in the FUCK is it being posted here AT ALL Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #50

He didn't say it. cwydro Apr 2019 #40

And FUCKING REFUSE to take it down or admit they are WRONG Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #53

We'll see a lot more of this. cwydro Apr 2019 #67

SAD?!!! I clearly said in my post that it wasn't true, didn't I? CTyankee Apr 2019 #96

Oh, I read it. cwydro Apr 2019 #132

And CLEVER too, don't you think? How well I hid my true intentions...ah it's the working of a CTyankee Apr 2019 #136

Hit a nerve CT? cwydro Apr 2019 #145

Again, brilliant, just brilliant... CTyankee Apr 2019 #150

I've noted this. cwydro Apr 2019 #158

You are WRONG about CTYankee. pangaia Apr 2019 #252

Please Put it In the Headline. That would Cha Apr 2019 #205

I don't know about "honorable" as I did not write anything remotely dishonorable. CTyankee Apr 2019 #206

Yeah.. Cha Apr 2019 #210

Take it down. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #262

+1 mahina Apr 2019 #259

Biden didn't say it...just another hit post. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #261

Oh, I expect the Repules to lie about Biden and Kamala... louis c Apr 2019 #2

Yes, and we had better be prepared for this one...just sayin'... CTyankee Apr 2019 #4

We've got to be prepared for more than that... louis c Apr 2019 #9

I think Kamala's staff know what is in store for them. CTyankee Apr 2019 #12

Why is this UNTRUE statement still on DU , why havent you REMOVED it yet Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #62

Read my post again. I say it isn't true right in the OP. My question is will the GOP bring it up CTyankee Apr 2019 #68

You posted an inflammitory headline, and then covered yourself in the post. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #69

Yes, it was inflammatory at the time and will be again if we are not prepared to deal with it! CTyankee Apr 2019 #71

Your concern is noted LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #94

You would think if she wanted to say it was a rw talking point (which it is) - Tipperary Apr 2019 #147

I agree with you, and all we are doing at this now is kicking it for her, which I think is the point LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #149

Well, you are wrong. I said it would be used by the RW right in my post. CTyankee Apr 2019 #227

CT, I KNOW you would not post his in bad faith, and have said so here. pangaia Apr 2019 #253

I'm good. Feeling great after getting a gastroenterologist to diagnose my health issue. CTyankee Apr 2019 #273

They won't need to dig it up Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #5

Better yet, Brock could come forward and tell what happened. CTyankee Apr 2019 #8

If it becomes a news piece Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #13

Of course the Fox viewers, who refuse to watch other shows, won't hear the whole story or it CTyankee Apr 2019 #14

It'll be tied to us anyway around it Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #42

Yeah, I'm really concerned that Fox Viewers are going to view the Dems as anti-woman. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #76

Not particularly concerned with Fox viewers myself Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #180

They will try and smear whoever the candidate is. Cattledog Apr 2019 #7

probably not since it might help him win over some of the white male Trump supporters JI7 Apr 2019 #10

that's just perverse enough to be true, sadly... CTyankee Apr 2019 #16

And they'll call him a socialist...n/t TCJ70 Apr 2019 #11

It serves no good purpose to trot out old discredited Republican dirt to ask if they will use it Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #15

This is a Democratic discussion board and I think we have to be prepared for it. CTyankee Apr 2019 #17

I think Biden can be a strong candidate, but not the "silver bullet" soome make him out to be Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #19

VERY dubious! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #57

No doubt the "weaknesses" - real and created, will begin to come into focus.... George II Apr 2019 #184

Also the old plagiarism charges DeeDeeNY Apr 2019 #20

I can't access your link, but you are absolutely correct. I faintly remember the plagiarism CTyankee Apr 2019 #21

I don't recall that. Just looked it up. That has nothing to do with Biden. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #22

NOPE nothing yet it is STILL BEING DISCUSSED HERE FREELY AS IF JOE SAID IT Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #63

"As if"??? There is no "as if." You need to stop this, it is obviously unsettling you... CTyankee Apr 2019 #230

Instead of Anticipating a Response from Attackers. McKim Apr 2019 #25

They won't have to. We'll do it for them. Iggo Apr 2019 #27

The Biden that people remember is Obama's VP BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #29

Actually, what he said was "I am sorry if she felt she didn't get a fair hearing." Demit Apr 2019 #36

Here is an actual quote from Biden BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #49

Said Biden: "The message I've delivered before is I am so sorry if she believes that." Demit Apr 2019 #64

Yeah BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #109

He could have given her the kind of hearing she deserved. Biden was in charge of overseeing Autumn Apr 2019 #113

Flogging a dead horse BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #133

You post that he regrets he couldn't give her the hearing she deserved. Autumn Apr 2019 #143

The short answer is yes. BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #167

I take it you're not here for the conversation. Autumn Apr 2019 #168

Basically, they're all only going to go lalalalala can't hear you. Demit Apr 2019 #170

What's to "hear"? The only wayback machine I'm aware of is on the internet. EVERY ONE... George II Apr 2019 #182

Yes, you should look into his record in the Senate, definitely. Demit Apr 2019 #201

MBNA was prohibited from contributing to his campaigns, surely you realize that.... George II Apr 2019 #207

"Employees" being top executives at MBNA, giving $1000 each, the maximum allowed, in Demit Apr 2019 #243

So what was the aggregate contributions from MBNA, any guesses? Biden was only "long known as.... George II Apr 2019 #248

Actually, I'm not going to participate BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #175

How is his factual, truthful history bashing? Autumn Apr 2019 #176

It is cherry-picking one statement out of context BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #177

Glad to see that you admit you did that. Which is why I posted more facts that came Autumn Apr 2019 #178

"So there's really nothing more to say." ehrnst Apr 2019 #231

What amazes me is that this is starting already. I speculated that it wouldn't start until.... George II Apr 2019 #183

Which means BS's actions and statements from 35-40 years ago mcar Apr 2019 #191

I don't know where you've been but his action, his "essay" and other actions and votes, past Autumn Apr 2019 #226

At least they have more than a passing interest in facts... ehrnst Apr 2019 #228

What will we see next? George II Apr 2019 #215

That was what, almost 30 years ago. He's addressed it a number of times and MOST people.... George II Apr 2019 #181

Umm, it was clearly former RWer and Clinton attacker, David Brock who said it... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #30

Yes, the OP won't respond to question why HE is falsely associating that w/Biden. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #32

OK,I've done a lot of explaining here but folks aren't listening or not liking what they hear. CTyankee Apr 2019 #119

That statement was NEVER attributed to Joe Biden. Do you have a link? lapucelle Apr 2019 #129

I doubt you will get an answer. Tipperary Apr 2019 #151

HA! See post 34, buddy. that was fast, wasn't it? CTyankee Apr 2019 #234

Your opinion said the statement was attributed to Biden. This is not true Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #263

I think the OP is a she. (Not that it matters) cwydro Apr 2019 #160

No, we wouldn't. But that doesn't matter to Trump and his party. They lie about us all the time. CTyankee Apr 2019 #70

There are endless lies they could create to attack any of our candidates... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #73

Because I lived through it in real time. And because women, and women of color particularly, are CTyankee Apr 2019 #75

So did I. I don't think so little of our African American base to think they would be bamboozled hlthe2b Apr 2019 #79

No, I don't think our AA base will be bamboozled at all...but that won't stop them from thinking CTyankee Apr 2019 #87

Did you somehow miss my sigline (for more than a decade)? hlthe2b Apr 2019 #90

Where did you get the idea that this remark came from Biden? ramblin_dave Apr 2019 #31

The OP won't respond to questions asking him to explain his false statement. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #33

well, it looks like you were wrong again. I'm stiill here and actively correcting folks to what I CTyankee Apr 2019 #235

Please read my OP again. I said that it was Brock and was FALSELY attributed to Biden... CTyankee Apr 2019 #77

What evidence is there that this has been attributed to Biden? ramblin_dave Apr 2019 #83

Google is your friend. AND I didn't say something that is not true, goddamit! Read my OP, please. CTyankee Apr 2019 #88

I did google it and found nothing ramblin_dave Apr 2019 #99

Yes, and you won't either because it isn't true but at the time it was used to harm him and came CTyankee Apr 2019 #103

Nobody attributed that statement to Biden. lapucelle Apr 2019 #118

OK,you didn't. At the time, I did, which is why Brock made his statement in the first place. CTyankee Apr 2019 #125

Nobody thought Joe Biden said it, and your "link" doesn't connect the quote with Joe Biden. lapucelle Apr 2019 #134

Exactly! The American Spectator (Brock) made that statement! CTyankee Apr 2019 #171

Would you kindly consider self-deleting this post? I believe this would be the right thing to do Skya Rhen Apr 2019 #34

Thank you. Mister Ed Apr 2019 #39

Thank you. ucrdem Apr 2019 #102

I have provided this link https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/21/17886484/joe-biden-anita CTyankee Apr 2019 #108

That link doesn't say what you claim it does. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #140

Yes, the American Spectator by Brock. That is the SECOND time I have had to say this in this CTyankee Apr 2019 #141

I think the point was for the fire to catch BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #120

"They" can dig up anything they want on Biden - because for everything they do, there are 100x times Pachamama Apr 2019 #35

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #41

I certainly have not forgotten what happened to Anita Hill, and it's one of the reasons I think WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #44

Can you imagine the artislife Apr 2019 #54

"I was young and impressionable during this time. It taught me it is better to shut up and put up." WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #59

It was38 year ago. I don't give a damn. He is the only reason there was a hearing. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #264

He didn't say that. Why associate it with him? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #46

I SAID that, damnit!I said it in the original post! When is enough enough? CTyankee Apr 2019 #189

Sorry! Mea culpa. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #192

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you feel bad. CTyankee Apr 2019 #196

I didn't intend to make YOU feel bad! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #197

Why did you even post it? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #265

"Pukes" won't have to; supporters of at least one candidate happily post Brock's bile here regularly LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #47

I dont believe for a second any actual Kamala Harris supporters would spread this LIE Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #52

Yes. Republicans aren't the ones dismissing Brock's support for Democrats betsuni Apr 2019 #162

I honestly don't remember this phrase but . . . peggysue2 Apr 2019 #48

why are you LEAVING THIS UNTRUE STATEMENT HERE Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #51

Indeed LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #60

There's the question of the day. MineralMan Apr 2019 #66

x 1000 LakeArenal Apr 2019 #245

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #56

Biden did NOT say this. David Brock, then a conservative, said it in a 1993 book: ucrdem Apr 2019 #58

And yet it is STILL on Democratic Underground...WHAT THE FUCK what the GOD DAMN FUCK Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #61

A self-delete would put the matter to rest. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #74

Do you think my self deleting this post will stop the RW from digging into this old, untrue story? CTyankee Apr 2019 #81

This is not RW underground, and yes, I think you should delete your post. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #82

It will make you feel better but it will not change the truth. Surely you know that... CTyankee Apr 2019 #89

The truth is that you showed your hand but not the one you intended us to see. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #91

don't make stuff up, ucrdem. I've been a loyal member of this community for 15 years. CTyankee Apr 2019 #93

I'm reading your OP. It it gives a wrong impression, delete it. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #95

Is it not clear in my OP? If it is clear in the OP then I have no reason to delete it... CTyankee Apr 2019 #97

Crystal clear. Which is why you should have deleted it at the first objection. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #98

???? CTyankee Apr 2019 #100

Leaving it up after all this casts a very bad light on your intentions. ucrdem Apr 2019 #104

OK, don't. But if something you posted on DU got misconstrued or outright lied about wouldn't CTyankee Apr 2019 #115

I would listen to my friends. Your OP is offensive. nt ucrdem Apr 2019 #138

Nonsense. It is in no way offensive. I know you are trying to construe it differently (I wish I knew CTyankee Apr 2019 #225

CT finally changed it.. Finally. Cha Apr 2019 #237

She still gets it wrong. Biden NEVER "supposedly said" the remark. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #250

Thanks. Cha Apr 2019 #251

They won't have to. Supporters of other Democratic candidates will be happy MineralMan Apr 2019 #65

OK, it was just a warning from someone who has, sadly, learned from the past and doesn't want CTyankee Apr 2019 #80

I don't care whether you delete it or not. I didn't request that you do so. MineralMan Apr 2019 #86

We shouldn't have to see RW talking points here. cwydro Apr 2019 #124

That link you keep touting doesn't associate Biden with that quote. lapucelle Apr 2019 #135

yes, it was Brock in the American Spectator. So I am right. CTyankee Apr 2019 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #78

I guess for sure the Repugs will bring it up LakeArenal Apr 2019 #84

and what they don't bring up, they'll make up, for sure. CTyankee Apr 2019 #92

Joe Biden didn't handle the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hearings very well, but MustLoveBeagles Apr 2019 #85

I can tell you it hurts Joe with my momz... she'll never forget the way he put Anita Hill on trial. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #110

Well it doesn't hurt him with most women BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #116

That's good... have to hope that holds up when the Rethugz do what Rethugz do. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #128

I wasn't too happy with him either at that time MustLoveBeagles Apr 2019 #224

Yes, it's almost 30 years ago. I wonder how digging up "dirt" about some of our candidates.... George II Apr 2019 #185

Biden did not say it and it should not be associated with him CentralMass Apr 2019 #101

I agree completely. It should NOT. CTyankee Apr 2019 #105

"pukes" won't have to bring it up. It's clear by this OP that Democrats will do it for them n/t SFnomad Apr 2019 #106

Well, thanks a lot!! I have been a very loyal Democrat on this website for 15 years and I don't take CTyankee Apr 2019 #111

The OP is out of line, sorry that gives you a sad. SFnomad Apr 2019 #117

Id like to know what you would feel and how you would respond if something like this happened CTyankee Apr 2019 #121

You defending this OP isn't working ... sorry SFnomad Apr 2019 #126

What a bizarre, poorly thought out OP. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #114

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #123

Wish I could recommend your post. Tipperary Apr 2019 #154

What about Senator Harris? OilemFirchen Apr 2019 #122

I believe in her. If something comes up that I find believable (that betrays my trust) I will CTyankee Apr 2019 #127

You *do* understand what right-wing attacks will come at her? SMC22307 Apr 2019 #195

And that is exactly what I was saying about Biden until it got totally distorted beyond belief. CTyankee Apr 2019 #198

Nonsense. Drumpf doesn't fear Kamala or Biden or any other Dem candidate. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #202

If he were afraid of her, we would have already heard from him, don't you think? CTyankee Apr 2019 #204

I don't recall Biden saying that... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #130

we don't let them pick our candidate just like we don't let them pick Speaker EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #131

I agree. CTyankee Apr 2019 #142

I don't remember it. Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #139

Wowee. Been busy all day and came in to see this. Just unreal. Tipperary Apr 2019 #144

Yes, and I love Pete and hope he is Harris's running mate and one day our President! CTyankee Apr 2019 #146

I really did not expect to be dodging this "shit," as you call it, in here. Tipperary Apr 2019 #148

I still like Pete... CTyankee Apr 2019 #153

So, earlier BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #152

AH, you have seen through my evil plot! CTyankee Apr 2019 #156

I've seen through the point of your op BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #157

OK, why don't we just wait and see, all right? CTyankee Apr 2019 #159

Or an "openly gay man," which seems to be the same in the op's mind. I am gay; it is not. Tipperary Apr 2019 #161

Gee I'll have to check...yup, my ass is still there...bye now. CTyankee Apr 2019 #164

Biden would be running against trump-who would care??? Gothmog Apr 2019 #163

These concerns were raised online. I think the rationale is that women voters are by and large CTyankee Apr 2019 #165

I strongly disagree Gothmog Apr 2019 #257

I Object To A Related Issue corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #166

You know, I don't understand any of these haters on DU, maybe esp. Bernie. I voted for him CTyankee Apr 2019 #169

Well, I think you have made a few today. Tipperary Apr 2019 #172

You still wish to carry this on? I do not but I think I have defended what I have said quite well. CTyankee Apr 2019 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #267

Thanks for your concern. Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #173

Oh, don't worry. I've seen this type of thing in schoolyards lots of times...once it gets started CTyankee Apr 2019 #179

He actually said this? jalan48 Apr 2019 #186

No. He didn't. Read up thread. David Brock reportedly said it... Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #187

The same David Brock that worked for Hillary's campaign? jalan48 Apr 2019 #188

What does Hillary and Brock for that matter have to do with Biden?? Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #193

I don't either. Why would he be knocking Biden if he's helping Democrats? jalan48 Apr 2019 #194

He said this in 1993 when he was still a rightwing shill MustLoveBeagles Apr 2019 #208

Thanks. I didn't know this about Brock. jalan48 Apr 2019 #211

I didn't. Don't say things that aren't true. I brought Brock into this early on in my post. I gave a CTyankee Apr 2019 #190

I asked her to put it in the Headline Cha Apr 2019 #213

There really is no way to salvage this OP ... at this point ... even with the changes being made SFnomad Apr 2019 #221

She has now change it.. not because I politiely Cha Apr 2019 #236

Yeah, I saw it was changed ... what I don't get is, I don't know of anyone (other than this OP) SFnomad Apr 2019 #246

Oh but I DID say it. Re-read my original post, Kahuna. IT IS VERY CLEAR. CTyankee Apr 2019 #220

So you're inventing RW attack ads against Biden using words he didn't say, that were said by someone highplainsdem Apr 2019 #199

Your opening sentence is poorly written. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #200

I don't usually write poorly (am publishing a book on art this spring, in fact) but this is what you CTyankee Apr 2019 #203

I'm old enough to remember -- with disgust -- the hearings. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #209

I agree with you. Very disappointing. Pathwalker Apr 2019 #214

Thanks. This is gonna be... SMC22307 Apr 2019 #217

I have modified my original post. See for yourself. CTyankee Apr 2019 #218

You're still pushing a falsehood. Biden NEVER "supposedly said" those things. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #240

No I am not. I never said it. I said Brock spread that lie and then repented. CTyankee Apr 2019 #242

Your updated subject line says it... you typed it, did you not? SMC22307 Apr 2019 #247

Even DU posters who prefer others are standing up for Joe Skya Rhen Apr 2019 #212

well, welcome to DU, newcomer. CTyankee Apr 2019 #219

Just saying that you should be prepared. I am only Skya Rhen Apr 2019 #229

I have never been called a "smear monger" in my life and I will defend what I said now. CTyankee Apr 2019 #233

I'm done with you - am on to helping Joe get elected - important stuff Skya Rhen Apr 2019 #238

"Brock spread a total LIE about Biden." betsuni Apr 2019 #244

ye gods! Thanks Cha Apr 2019 #249

Yes, I said that. Go back and read what I wrote. CTyankee Apr 2019 #268

+1000000 BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #254

David Brock never said Biden used that phrase. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #258

I was warning that this kind of malice existed once and will exist again. CTyankee Apr 2019 #270

R*****k fail. ucrdem Apr 2019 #216

who cares what words he used? He gave GOP control of the process robbedvoter Apr 2019 #223

Mahalo for finally changing the headline.. Cha Apr 2019 #239

Read it again. Biden NEVER "supposedly said" the Brock remark. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #241

Brock said that. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #260

Go back and read my OP. I clearly said that. CTyankee Apr 2019 #271

I'm only curious about.... quickesst Apr 2019 #266

As emphasis that it was a lie and a disgraceful one. CTyankee Apr 2019 #269

What lie? betsuni Apr 2019 #272