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Uncle Joe

(65,472 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:19 PM Apr 2019

New Studies Show Pundits Are Wrong About Russian Social-Media Involvement in US Politics [View all]



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2016 Election Content: The most glaring data point is how minimally Russian social-media activity pertained to the 2016 campaign. The New Knowledge report acknowledges that evaluating IRA content “purely based on whether it definitively swung the election is too narrow a focus,” as the “explicitly political content was a small percentage.” To be exact, just “11% of the total content” attributed to the IRA and 33 percent of user engagement with it “was related to the election.” The IRA’s posts “were minimally about the candidates,” with “roughly 6% of tweets, 18% of Instagram posts, and 7% of Facebook posts” having “mentioned Trump or Clinton by name.

Scale: The researchers claim that “the scale of [the Russian] operation was unprecedented,” but they base that conclusion on dubious figures. They repeat the widespread claim that Russian posts “reached 126 million people on Facebook,” which is in fact a spin on Facebook’s own guess. “Our best estimate,” Facebook’s Colin Stretch testified to Congress in October 2017, “is that approximately 126 million people may have been served one of these [IRA] stories at some time during the two year period” between 2015 and 2017. According to Stretch, posts generated by suspected Russian accounts showing up in Facebook’s News Feed amounted to “approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content".

Spending: Also hurting the case that the Russians reached a large number of Americans is that they spent such a microscopic amount of money to do it. Oxford puts the IRA’s Facebook spending between 2015 and 2017 at just $73,711. As was previously known, about $46,000 was spent on Russian-linked Facebook ads before the 2016 election. That amounts to about 0.05 percent of the $81 million spent on Facebook ads by the Clinton and Trump campaigns combined. A recent disclosure by Google that Russian-linked accounts spent $4,700 on platforms in 2016 only underscores how minuscule that spending was. The researchers also claim that the IRA’s “manipulation of American political discourse had a budget that exceeded $25 million USD.” But that number is based on a widely repeated error that mistakes the IRA’s spending on US-related activities for its parent project’s overall global budget, including domestic social-media activity in Russia.

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Based on all of this data, we can draw this picture of Russian social-media activity: It was mostly unrelated to the 2016 election; microscopic in reach, engagement, and spending; and juvenile or absurd in its content. This leads to the inescapable conclusion, as the New Knowledge study acknowledges, that “the operation’s focus on elections was merely a small subset” of its activity. They qualify that “accurate” narrative by saying it “misses nuance and deserves more contextualization.” Alternatively, perhaps it deserves some minimal reflection that a juvenile social-media operation with such a small focus on elections is being widely portrayed as a seismic threat that may well have decided the 2016 contest.

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https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-elections-interference/

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The Nation endorsed Bernie Sanders Blinko Apr 2019 #1
The Nation is citing the studies from Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #3
If you like this spin, how about "Mueller obstructed his own investigation Hortensis Apr 2019 #22
How do you get "Mueller obstructed his own investigation?" Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #24
From "The Nation," of course. Some good stuff Hortensis Apr 2019 #27
Indictment: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns George II Apr 2019 #28
Stories like that are often suppressed or dismissed. We deserve to know the truth. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #29
Well, maybe the "pundits" are wrong, but I'm sure Robert Mueller III is 100% correct. George II Apr 2019 #45
I am equally certain of that. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #50
There's also this: George II Apr 2019 #48
+1 nt Skidmore Apr 2019 #4
P.S. This is your first day here, welcome to D.U. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #5
Welcome to DU artislife Apr 2019 #25
So? I'm sure at one time you were a new member. This one joined about 10 months prior.... George II Apr 2019 #31
+++ sheshe2 Apr 2019 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #52
... SidDithers Apr 2019 #47
I'm more concerned about American Oligarchs like the Koch Brothers influencing our jalan48 Apr 2019 #2
It is best to be concerned about both. Big Blue Marble Apr 2019 #6
I'm sure the Koch Brothers prefer we focus on Russia which is what has been happening. This focus jalan48 Apr 2019 #8
We can do both. namahage Apr 2019 #13
It would be nice but focusing on a bogeyman outside of our society is much easier than focusing jalan48 Apr 2019 #14
It is our MO artislife Apr 2019 #26
Yep, and focusing on outside takes our attention off the inside. Imagine Rachel spending three hours jalan48 Apr 2019 #32
Woot woot artislife Apr 2019 #34
You don't think we should focus on a "bogeyman" who has been documented to have... George II Apr 2019 #36
Of course we should. However, the United States has interfered in other jalan48 Apr 2019 #39
Mueller found that Russia helped Bernie Sanders and targeted Hillary Clinton. stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #7
Do you see any statistics in the un-blacked version of Muller's Report that dispute Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #9
Just a reminder that the redacted portion of Mueller's report is ongoing criminal matters Indygram Apr 2019 #61
Which could be beneficial to Bernie, it was Barr that blacked it out. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #64
What "Pundits"? It mentions 2 that I see. Also, although those percentages might seem low... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #10
18% not 20 of Instagram and 7% of Facebook which brings us to content Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #15
This is from December 2018, before the Mueller report even came out... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #18
I have always believed the Russians targeted susceptible individuals rzemanfl Apr 2019 #11
I used to love and trust The Nation, especially Katrina vanden Heuvel hlthe2b Apr 2019 #12
Are you aware of any studies, reports or investigations which dispute the findings Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #16
Indeed. THE CEO of NEW KNOWLEDGE was suspended for disseminating fake news by FACEBOOK hlthe2b Apr 2019 #19
That doesn't answer my question and I responded to your post# 17 Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #23
You ignore evidence of fraud from a key contributor. Do YOUR OWN research. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #30
No one disputes Russian meddling in the 2016 election but nothing in Mueller's report Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #38
My guess would be... sheshe2 Apr 2019 #37
What precisely in Mueller's report disputes the findings or statistics in the OP? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #40
Yeah, them and Democracy Now! seem to be forming an alliance with Glenn Greenwald... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #20
Well said Bradshaw3 Apr 2019 #41
This is why I stopped subscribing murielm99 Apr 2019 #43
+1 nt Skidmore Apr 2019 #57
Gee lookie what comes up from cited "NEW KNOWLEGE" who participated in these studies! hlthe2b Apr 2019 #17
This was from the election in Alabama in 2017 and Morgan states Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #21
Exactly.. Your research promoter fraudulently tried to press a pedophile into office. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #33
Does that not sound like to you that old excuse on "To Catch A Predator"? namahage Apr 2019 #44
So what is your rebuttal to University of Oxford's Computational Propaganda Research Project? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #53
I'd say the issue is very difficult to study and though they have made attempt, their methodology hlthe2b Apr 2019 #55
It is the most valid study to date, Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #65
Taking a single unvalidated study of questionable methods as Gospel while ignoring Mueller/FBI hlthe2b Apr 2019 #68
Nothing in the OP contradicts the Mueller Report (at least what is visible) nor FBI/CIA findings. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #70
Again, you refuse to accept the findings. See my last post. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #71
Present a link please. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #72
If you can't find my last post to you sequentially numbered then I think I'm not able to assist you hlthe2b Apr 2019 #73
No one is ignoring the Mueller Report, CIA or FBI investigations, and you can't present Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #74
so they were working for Doug Jones against Roy Moore and trying to copy Russian Rethug models Celerity Apr 2019 #79
Your last proposition is my belief. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2019 #81
background on it, a large Democratic donor funded the company, but apparently knew nothing that they Celerity Apr 2019 #82
Does this analysis look at the US as a whole or does it analyze specific swing districts pnwmom Apr 2019 #42
Here is the full report. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #54
Thank you. And the answer is they didn't focus on the swing states, and they included data pnwmom Apr 2019 #56
Here is a little more information regarding the swing states. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #59
We know that in at least one of those states, the tallies didn't match up to the ballots pnwmom Apr 2019 #75
I will be the first to agree that our voting systems need major overhaul. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #77
One turd in 17,000 gallons of water, is still, a turd in the pool... Mersky Apr 2019 #46
Hmm ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #49
k&r nt Skidmore Apr 2019 #58
Balogna. Triloon Apr 2019 #51
Gosh, I read all the way through.. stillcool Apr 2019 #60
Err... the cost to conversion ratio is why FB is worth $500 Bn Recursion Apr 2019 #62
The Nation's publisher is rusty fender Apr 2019 #63
So what is your rebuttal to University of Oxford's Computational Propaganda Research Project Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #66
Thank you. I didn't know that but I'd noticed the odd bias toward Russia long ago. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #76
You betcha! rusty fender Apr 2019 #83
Russia/Putin ratfucked us to death in 2016 rusty fender Apr 2019 #67
"Putinistas?" so everyone that doesn't follow along with the 21st century version of a red scare Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #69
I still wonder if the anti Wasserman-Schultz anointing of Hillary theme was amplified by Russia? Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #78
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