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Awsi Dooger

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36. Nominating a female reduces margin for error
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:24 PM
Apr 2019

I have made that point since joining this site in 2002. Hillary was my favorite Democratic nominee of my lifetime but I fully understood she had very low upside in 2016. Hillary needed to be nominated in 2008, when the national slant was so severe in our favor that the situational boost would have been more than enough to push her over the top. Then once she fixed the Bush economy the stigma against female nominees would have been gone. It will never be fully recognized how much we forfeited by failing to nominate a female in 2008. That type of situational boost is almost never available during a presidential year, in contrast to midterms when it is quite common.

Then we could have had a charismatic male in Obama waiting in the wings for the much more problematic 2016 cycle, after we held the White House for 8 years.

This time my two favorites are Beto and Klobuchar but I can easily separate them by recognizing that the male has far greater opportunity to be elected. No other variable matters in a thought process like that. People screw up perspective all the time by looking at dozens of dizzying factors instead of one or two pivotal ones.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
link doesn't work artislife Apr 2019 #1
I think this is the correct article marylandblue Apr 2019 #9
Thanks for the links. nt artislife Apr 2019 #12
I believe it. spicysista Apr 2019 #2
So it's probably more like 20-25% or even 30% Dream Girl Apr 2019 #3
That was my thought as well genxlib Apr 2019 #5
Me too. BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #22
Mine also. Hortensis Apr 2019 #25
Oh, I agree. The 13% are only the ones who are proud to admit it. nt Nay Apr 2019 #30
Put another way, 87% of men will vote for a woman for President. Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Lunabell Apr 2019 #8
No it is not. This is why if we run a woman we lose, there too many GD Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #41
Tell me more, please... Xipe Totec Apr 2019 #44
I am a woman ...and I know the misogyny out there. I do not believe any woman Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #45
Nope. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #50
A woman did not win the electoral college... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #57
No, this is just your opinion. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #64
Who occupies the Whitehouse? And our woman candidates have a combined total of what 20%? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #68
You'll then support your premise (women can't win the Presidency) with objective facts, yes? LanternWaste Apr 2019 #70
It I as not fact based ...it is an opinion based on experience. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #71
I want a woman president as a woman. I supported Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #72
Yet Hillary still got 3 million more votes. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #49
She didn't win the states we needed. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #58
It is unsurprising but still irrelevant genxlib Apr 2019 #6
Oh I think some might vote for Bernie, Biden or Beto, they just couldn't bring themselves Dream Girl Apr 2019 #10
It is true for Black men too.,.I have seen it. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #42
Correct. zackymilly Apr 2019 #47
They might vote for Biden or Ryan. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #46
If Nothing Changes, Nothing Ever Changes... dlk Apr 2019 #7
Well it sure won't change if Trump wins in 20. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #43
I'll Bet It Is Even Higher for Women! DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #11
After watching NZ prime minister Jacinda Ardern artislife Apr 2019 #13
We have a woman President. Her name is Hillary Clinton, and the office was stolen from her. shenmue Apr 2019 #14
I think it's more about how female leaders are treated than open unwillingness to vote for a woman. marylandblue Apr 2019 #15
So repugs, & we know repugs are the only misogynous party, won't vote for our candidates, well yaesu Apr 2019 #16
That's not what the article says at all. No where is the claim "won't vote for a woman" made. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2019 #17
Sadly, I bet it's the same or higher for women. cwydro Apr 2019 #18
Why do you say 13% of "men"? former9thward Apr 2019 #19
I know a few women who wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was a female Kaleva Apr 2019 #29
Me too. Important point, Former9th. I've known a lot of Hortensis Apr 2019 #75
5 Women Candidates Polling 20% Combined. Are Others Surprised by this? Indykatie Apr 2019 #20
most of that has to do with name recognition JI7 Apr 2019 #23
No saddened but not surprised. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #60
INCELS, think of Stephen Miller JI7 Apr 2019 #21
I think the vast majority of men Andy823 Apr 2019 #24
I believe a woman would kind of throw djt off his game. Irishxs Apr 2019 #26
Men with bitter divorce experience at140 Apr 2019 #27
"...13 percent of both men and women now think that women are less suited for politics than men..." Iggo Apr 2019 #34
The survey actually states that 13% of men AND women think that women are less suited for politics Kaleva Apr 2019 #28
Nominating a female reduces margin for error Awsi Dooger Apr 2019 #36
Interesting thoughts Kaleva Apr 2019 #38
The survey also doesn't say they wouldn't vote for a woman! Only that... thesquanderer Apr 2019 #77
Yes, the headline of the OP is false and it ought to be edited Kaleva Apr 2019 #78
What percent of people who absolutely will not vote for a woman also absolutely will not vote for RockRaven Apr 2019 #31
My brother told me he will not. CousinIT Apr 2019 #32
Just a guess....he's never had a date in his life? n/m RhodeIslandOne Apr 2019 #55
Not surprisingly, no. n/t CousinIT Apr 2019 #65
These people would never vote for a Democrat anyway elias7 Apr 2019 #33
But if women say we want a woman as President mcar Apr 2019 #35
You are correct. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #48
I don't think we will see a woman president for at least another generation. Hillary was lunamagica Apr 2019 #37
Yes and no karynnj Apr 2019 #40
One point consider is th article says this 3 time more likely for Republicans karynnj Apr 2019 #39
Wow that sounds really low. Bet it's at least 50% Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #51
30-35% of Americans would never vote for a Democrat no matter what the gender.... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #52
And now Seth Moulton's vying with Tim Ryan for the misogyny vote. Hortensis Apr 2019 #53
Tim Ryan is no misogynist. He is a good guy actually and could win Ohio. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61
Ok, how about selfishly ambitious and willing to use misogyny Hortensis Apr 2019 #66
He can win Ohio...Ok..you want to win? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #67
I think he could be helpful in winning Ohio for Hortensis Apr 2019 #69
Fair enough Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #73
:) Ok. Hortensis Apr 2019 #74
How many of those men would vote for any Democratic candidate? nt LAS14 Apr 2019 #54
The black guys my daughters fiance told me about always Vote democratic but Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #62
So, only 13% of men are idiots? DCofVA Apr 2019 #56
According to the study the article cited, 13% of women agreed with those men LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #59
I strongly suspect most if not all of that 13% is not relevant Amimnoch Apr 2019 #63
whatever number of "democratic" men who won't vote for a female candidate is offset by the females beachbum bob Apr 2019 #76
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