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True Dough

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79. I don't think Pete was saying Bernie and Trump voters possess the same values or ideologies, Jon

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:15 PM

Apr 2019

I think he's referring to the "burn the house down" mentality, which is true of a portion of Bernie voters in 2016. Look at how divisive Bernie/Hillary was here at DU, for example. JPR ensued.

Not everyone believes free college is achievable, at least not with the costs that will be associated with it. Pete says he doesn't want the working poor to face higher taxes so that university grads who go on to high-paying occupations get to enjoy gratis education. He has spoken in favor of expanding the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program and reducing or eliminating interest on student loans.

As for the housing issue, I'd invite you to read this story for a different take entirely:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/04/21/how-the-media-is-getting-mayor-petes-south-bend-gentrification-story-wrong/

I don't know much about the "secret tapes" issue. Will have to read up on that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bernie co-chair Ro Khanna just called Pete Buttigieg "intellectually dishonest" [View all] highplainsdem Apr 2019 OP

Why would he tweet about something he didn't read. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #1

Either or, it's a bad look for one of our progressive Congressmen. George II Apr 2019 #17

NO. This is a SMEAR JOB by the NY Post and Wash Examiner. EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #104

Publishing something that was actually said is now a "smear"... brooklynite Apr 2019 #119

It was taken out of context. Buttigieg was complimentary EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #239

Not the first that I know Cha Apr 2019 #144

Oh, I'm sure he read it. It's a short, very clear sentence. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #55

Twitter fallout tymorial Apr 2019 #153

Disappointed in Mayor Pete.. was starting to really like him. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #2

Yeah sure! redstateblues Apr 2019 #7

Yup... I've been VERY supportive. Sorry, the facts are the facts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #14

As you would say, "yeah, riiiiight". George II Apr 2019 #18

Didn't think you could back up your misstatement that I didn't like Mayor Pete... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #32

I can back BlueState on this one ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #115

The truth ALWAYS prevails... thanks for that. Some will say anything.. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #120

N/P, just keepin' it real, brother/sister :) mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #131

Damned ironic you ask others to support their own conclusions LanternWaste Apr 2019 #220

" Quick... change the subject!! " ehrnst Apr 2019 #231

You'd know better than anyone else True Dough Apr 2019 #30

LMFAO!! Like I care whether you or anybody is convinced or not. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #47

Funny how no one but skeptics are appearing in this thread True Dough Apr 2019 #49

They're more than welcome to pipe in about my prior expressions of fondness for Mayor Pete. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #61

Fondness? Lol redstateblues Apr 2019 #70

Yes, as I've said many times, I was starting to really like Mayor Pete... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #75

Uncle Joe of DU is Biden? sheshe2 Apr 2019 #101

Oh, okay... haha!! Now THAT Uncle Joe I could definitely vote for in the 2020 primary!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #112

Which one? nt sheshe2 Apr 2019 #134

A Mayor Pete supporter just did vouch for you True Dough Apr 2019 #85

Okay, no worries, that's very kind of you to say... apology accepted. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91

I will say it for me JonLP24 Apr 2019 #60

So TYT has gone into South Bend digging up dirt? crazytown Apr 2019 #74

I don't think Pete was saying Bernie and Trump voters possess the same values or ideologies, Jon True Dough Apr 2019 #79

I don't blame Bernie Sanders voters for the divisiveness here JonLP24 Apr 2019 #97

Sounds like your mind is definitely made up True Dough Apr 2019 #98

I forgot to add JonLP24 Apr 2019 #110

Progress always means tearing down old buildings. True Blue American Apr 2019 #146

The homes were all vacant or abandoned, that was the point. marylandblue Apr 2019 #157

tear down houses, lolol and 'firing' the police chief (who just, btw, retired in 2017 with a full Celerity Apr 2019 #257

He was recording them saying racist stuff JonLP24 Apr 2019 #259

No. He recorded them for over a year illegally, and another person Celerity Apr 2019 #260

I read them just fine JonLP24 Apr 2019 #262

TYT, huh? murielm99 Apr 2019 #123

I think they were following up on this story JonLP24 Apr 2019 #133

The police chief was demoted, murielm99 Apr 2019 #139

I just used the New York Times JonLP24 Apr 2019 #140

I would recommend this thread: murielm99 Apr 2019 #141

SB and neighboring city Elkhart Locrian Apr 2019 #252

Please read the thread I recommended. murielm99 Apr 2019 #253

thanks Locrian Apr 2019 #254

tbf, the poster has been pretty nice towards Pete Celerity Apr 2019 #78

Thanks for saying so, Celerity True Dough Apr 2019 #82

yw! Celerity Apr 2019 #87

Testimony: InAbLuEstate has been supportive of Mayor Pete's campaign crazytown Apr 2019 #57

I've been supportive of Mayor Pete from the beginning..... George II Apr 2019 #77

My memory is he has made a number of supportive comments crazytown Apr 2019 #89

"a little excitable after guidance from head office." sheshe2 Apr 2019 #137

Not only just one story but a matter of 17 minutes - look at posts #2 and #29. My head is spinning. George II Apr 2019 #208

Wow!! Thanks for speaking the TRUTH... not that I care what some people InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #86

fAcTs ArE fAcTs? ehrnst Apr 2019 #167

When you say "facts are facts" ehrnst Apr 2019 #223

This sheshe2 Apr 2019 #34

not going to go crazy and post a tonne of posts to show it, but here is one Celerity Apr 2019 #93

That's not "supportive", that's just stating what everyone else knows, Buttigieg is very smart.... George II Apr 2019 #162

No you weren't. George II Apr 2019 #11

Riiiiight... well if you say so!! You never get tired of being wrong I see. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #29

Sorry to disappoint, I have NEVER been wrong in interchanges with you. And.... George II Apr 2019 #38

Interesting. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #41

Details, details. George II Apr 2019 #48

Frankly. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #66

Indeed..... George II Apr 2019 #95

Can't you EVER just admit when you're wrong, apologize and move on?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #100

Like I've told you countless times, I'm perfectly willing to admit when I'm wrong, but.... George II Apr 2019 #107

LOL, I prove you wrong EVERY TIME, then, like now, you pretend you have nothing to apologize for. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #136

"I find it kind of amusing now that people have caught on and have started to see a pattern." betsuni Apr 2019 #155

People have "caught on" to what exactly? George II Apr 2019 #172

Pretending I didn't respond to you on this point isn't going to fool anyone either. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #180

So then, how do you explain two totally contradictory statements made 17 minutes apart... George II Apr 2019 #181

Just read my response to the 1st time you made that same weak argument...then you'll know. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #182

So you can't explain your contradictory statements. I can accept that. Can you? George II Apr 2019 #184

As I've ALREADY splained, ummmm, cuz they're NOT contradictory... are you SERIOUSLY denying InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #186

No you haven't. It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact. Within 17 minutes you said two.... George II Apr 2019 #191

Okay, I tried. Don't believe I've stated my fondness for Mayor Pete... I'm good with that! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #192

Yours first... ehrnst Apr 2019 #200

Pitch Perfect. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #106

Yes, "Pitch Perfect"... DEAD WRONG & won't admit it, as usual!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #154

pOt, MeEt KeTtLe... ehrnst Apr 2019 #165

Nice editing. George II Apr 2019 #174

IKR... ehrnst Apr 2019 #190

You can insult me as much as you want, it won't change the truth - your own words are right here.... George II Apr 2019 #206

Yes, it IS all there... if you care to read my response to you... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #210

LOL!!! ehrnst Apr 2019 #219

... sheshe2 Apr 2019 #229

cOpY aNd PaStE tHiS aS mAnY tImEs As YoU lIkE, ehrnst Apr 2019 #170

I honestly don't care you won't admit I've been fond of Mayor Pete since he emerged onto the scene. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #176

nIcE tRy At EvAdInG... ehrnst Apr 2019 #178

What does the fact that Bernie is a member of the Democratic Party have to do with InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #183

That call didn't go well? ehrnst Apr 2019 #189

In post #2 you say you're "starting" to like him, in the present tense. George II Apr 2019 #196

Nope, you misquoted me again...said "starting to REALLY like him" There goes your theory!! BOOOOM!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #241

"facts speak for themselves" ehrnst Apr 2019 #255

"Never get tired of being wrong?" ehrnst Apr 2019 #199

If I was wrong in saying that Bernie is a member of the Democratic Party, ABSOLUTELY, I would InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #203

Sanders: "I don't consider myself a Democrat" ehrnst Apr 2019 #204

LMFAO!! You're quoting an article from 2017?! Really?! Good one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #207

So you are admitting you are wrong when you say that he "has always been a Democrat?" ehrnst Apr 2019 #209

Last I checked, it's 2019... I wasn't referring to Bernie's political affiliation in 2017 InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #211

"Bernie has always been a Democrat." ehrnst Apr 2019 #212

LOL... "Bernie's always been a Democrat" is YOUR quote, not mine. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #214

LOL. Now you're denying it, in order to avoid answering for it... ehrnst Apr 2019 #215

Wow, so you admittedly made up a fake quote of something I never said... that's all you got?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #216

You are the one making up things you never said..."fake quotes" ehrnst Apr 2019 #218

As expected...change the subject from your made up quote & misrepresent something else l didn't say. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #221

And more double downs! ehrnst Apr 2019 #222

When you have to make up a quote about what I said & you think that's funny... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #224

... ehrnst Apr 2019 #225

Riiiiiight!! So you can't show where I said "Bernie's always been a Democrat"... didn't think so. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #227

Like you can't show where you gave the "math many times?" ehrnst Apr 2019 #228

Screenshots don't lie... ehrnst Apr 2019 #226

He didn't compare Bernie to Trump at all. The tweeter is mistaken (giving him the benefit of doubt). Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #64

Oh okay, thanks for that... based on my fondness for Mayor Pete, I'm certainly willing to give him InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #69

No, I didn't mean give Pete the benefit of doubt. His words are right there to read. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #83

Okay, I'll check it out... this is the kind of intellectually honest debate I'm happy to have. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #94

The article about Pete likening Sanders supporters to DT supporters is from the Washington Examiner femmedem Apr 2019 #90

Yeah, based on your comments and those of others, I'll have to look at this issue a bit closer. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #96

Ah, now it's "fondness". So let's see what you've said just in this thread: George II Apr 2019 #156

Can't just admit you were wrong?... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #158

Not wrong at all - I show two totally contradictory statements of yours from just 17 minutes apart.. George II Apr 2019 #163

Did you even read what I said? Don't respond... it really is okay. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #168

pOt, MeEt KeTtLe... ehrnst Apr 2019 #198

yOu FiRsT... ehrnst Apr 2019 #171

What part of Mayor Pete"s statement do you have a problem with? elias7 Apr 2019 #149

It seems pretty clear to me. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #3

...and it could lead you to somebody like Trump. That's how we got where we are." elleng Apr 2019 #16

It won't lead me to him. I'm a Democrat and will vote for whoever wins the primary. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #19

I completed the quotation. elleng Apr 2019 #24

K- sorry. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #27

I am sick of the True Blue American Apr 2019 #145

Trump still squats in the WH and the Demoractic candidates are b*tching about each other. Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 #4

For Trump it is Divide (Dems) and Conquer. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #8

And the followers of a candidate are doing their part. George II Apr 2019 #21

From what I can see, a lot of people are doing their part. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #25

What is this the subject of this OP? Not "a lot of people". George II Apr 2019 #28

The OP is a Biden supporter, posting a negative comment about Bernie supporters done by Pete. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #36

I don't think the OP is part of any campaign, just a poster on DU. Not three "campaigns" involved. George II Apr 2019 #40

Ro Khanna's tweet about Pete is Cha Apr 2019 #264

Not just trump. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #44

That's how he won his primary marlakay May 2019 #267

Buttigieg makes a good point. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #5

+1,000,000 George II Apr 2019 #22

Thanks. elleng Apr 2019 #37

Exactly - Pete is not criticizing Bernie. IndianaDave Apr 2019 #52

That's my take on it. It wasn't a criticism. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #58

I thoroughly agree. I'm not sure how this got to be an "issue." IndianaDave Apr 2019 #84

I get how you would see it that way... and how some might see things differently. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #185

Right.. but Khanna had to Cha Apr 2019 #143

+1000.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #230

He sure does. Blue_true Apr 2019 #242

Trump wanted to tear down the system, and enough people agreed with him The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #243

You asked the $1 million dollar question. Blue_true Apr 2019 #248

A gaffe in Washington is when someone accidentaly tells the truth redstateblues Apr 2019 #6

So Is Pete Going To Receive The HRC Treatment Now? Me. Apr 2019 #9

Simple answer? sheshe2 Apr 2019 #56

I Believe You Are Correct Me. Apr 2019 #71

Yep. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #73

It's already started...nt SidDithers Apr 2019 #76

Check out one of BS' ardent twittter fans.. Cha Apr 2019 #147

Tiresome Really Me. Apr 2019 #160

And, so not what Cha Apr 2019 #164

It's a disingenuous shot at Buttigieg, but not surprising. From what I've seen only ONE campaign... George II Apr 2019 #10

Hopefully What Comes Around Will Go Around Me. Apr 2019 #72

From NYPost, 'according to The Washington Examiner.' elleng Apr 2019 #12

"IF he did"??? His tweet shows the article he's commenting on. Why would you question that? highplainsdem Apr 2019 #15

Sorry, doing a few other things and this got my attention. elleng Apr 2019 #20

I've seen tweets including CNN video showing Pete making part of those comments. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #33

'yet a lot of neighborhoods and families are living like this recovery never even happened. elleng Apr 2019 #39

Buttigieg cut his teeth in gentrifying neighbourhoods crazytown Apr 2019 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2019 #105

Why are you posting bullshit attacks by Walter Bragman? comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #132

why are you asking about a self-evident thing? Celerity Apr 2019 #135

oo...kay artislife Apr 2019 #13

You know the old sayin: never miss an opportunity to bash Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #54

I know artislife Apr 2019 #108

Aren't we all!! But, Bernie should not be allowed to be relentlessly trashed... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #116

In a perfect world artislife Apr 2019 #118

AWAYS POST SOMETHING! Even if it means repeating that you are "right" after being proven wrong! ehrnst Apr 2019 #179

Don't interrupt the tales of woe! BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #195

True this... ehrnst Apr 2019 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #194

Bernie wants to blow up all the systems in America... BluegrassDem Apr 2019 #23

It's intellectually dishonest not to draw comparisons between supporters and their motivation SFnomad Apr 2019 #26

It's a primary, they're never nice. BeckyDem Apr 2019 #31

"according to The Washington Examiner" left-of-center2012 Apr 2019 #35

and NYPost. elleng Apr 2019 #42

I quoted a tweet from Ro Khanna, who was responding to the NY Post, which reported on the highplainsdem Apr 2019 #46

hmm - Our Revolution - sounds a bit like blow up the system to me nt msongs Apr 2019 #43

I think the would make a good team James48 Apr 2019 #45

Right neither of them can win a general, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #51

... OilemFirchen Apr 2019 #68

its simple............... boota jedge Celerity Apr 2019 #114

Tweeter made a boo-boo. Pete didn't compare Sanders to Trump. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #50

And it's not like Mayor Pete is the first to make this observation SFnomad Apr 2019 #53

Khanna unwittingly demonstrated Buttigieg's underlying point LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #59

In his or her own mind, maybe. I take people's words and intent as I read them. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #65

Best take on Pete's comments that I've read in this thread True Dough Apr 2019 #111

This is what I got out of it too MustLoveBeagles Apr 2019 #126

I see what you're sayin. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #188

Sanders has been in public office for years starting before Pete was Born JI7 Apr 2019 #63

And???? I don't get your point. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #67

fling, splat- trifling appalachiablue Apr 2019 #80

Scorched earth emulatorloo Apr 2019 #81

I would say that it's intellectually dishonest to claim Buttegieg compared Sanders to Trump, when LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #88

Yes, but as a Sanders supporter, it sickens me that his supporters are even linked in any way vsrazdem Apr 2019 #127

So what? Unless he can't read, Khanna's tweet was a lie LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #130

I don't see anything wrong with what Mayer Pete said, but I know it's gonna piss some people off MustLoveBeagles Apr 2019 #92

He was not comparing them per se Jarqui Apr 2019 #99

SOURCES: NY Post (Murdoch) Wash Examiner (Anschutz). Both rightwing billionaires! EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #102

Did he say it or not? RandySF Apr 2019 #121

I edited the OP to add links to video. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #125

Selective amplification is a thing. EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #237

So Khanna took the bait. RandySF Apr 2019 #238

Khanna should probably not have said it. EndGOPPropaganda Apr 2019 #240

He just proved Buttigieg's point. Renew Deal Apr 2019 #103

The vice chair for Sanders is a "He". Congressman from California's Silicon Valley. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #244

Ro Khanna is losing it nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #109

Meh. It is essentional for candidates to be able to compare and contrast themselves. Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #113

Those who think Pete is flavor-of-the-month are mistaken. Pete is stirring up controversy marylandblue Apr 2019 #117

I do think Ro over reacted artislife Apr 2019 #124

For better or worse, the sound byte matters the most. marylandblue Apr 2019 #128

This primary season artislife Apr 2019 #129

+++ vsrazdem Apr 2019 #142

Yes, Khanna way "overreacted" along Cha Apr 2019 #265

Way over re-acted.. Cha May 2019 #266

The flavor of the month was Beto... I think he's pretty much done. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #217

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Apr 2019 #122

Credentialed elite? RandySF Apr 2019 #138

"He wants to blow up credentialed elitism ... ." betsuni Apr 2019 #148

They do love the jargon, don't they? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #201

Oh, I know! Was thinking exactly the same thing. betsuni Apr 2019 #250

How ironic! Intellectually dishonest to set up a straw man... elias7 Apr 2019 #150

WOW, we thought 2016 was bad. I'm getting a sneaking feeling dewsgirl Apr 2019 #151

I am so over the senator from Vermont. tymorial Apr 2019 #152

Ditto!!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #173

As a former Bernie supporter who caucused for him, liberalmuse Apr 2019 #159

Thank you for this LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #161

+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #166

As a Former Bernie Supporter in the Primaries in 2016.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #175

I worked on Bernie's last campaign to marlakay Apr 2019 #177

I worked on Bernie's campaign too marlakay May 2019 #268

Really??? LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #169

The building of a tribe that doesn't want me included Politicub Apr 2019 #187

Well done Pete! JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #193

Pete should be more careful with BS AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #202

Abso-fuckin-lutely!! Revolution IS what's necessary... precisely why Biden is NOT the answer!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #205

Any revolution that dismisses all issues that don't directly affect ehrnst Apr 2019 #232

And Bernie can't win without the supporters of other candidates, namahage Apr 2019 #213

The thing is, the supporters of other candidates will fall in line to defeat Trump. Blue_true Apr 2019 #245

No, BS' surrogates should be Cha Apr 2019 #233

nothing can be done about them AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #234

No respect whatsoever from me. Cha Apr 2019 #235

you will if he wins the nomination AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #236

It is really sad to see them taking such a stance given what the country faces. Blue_true Apr 2019 #247

Most of the Bernie supporters here are ok, determined and willing to overlook flaws Blue_true Apr 2019 #246

For once, I agree with Bernie and his people. StevieM Apr 2019 #249

Congratulations to Pete! Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #251

This Sanders Supporter Feels The Campaign's Response Was Proportionate corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #256

Ro Khanna's Tweet was utterly detached from reality. Full stop. If that's your idea of proportionate Celerity Apr 2019 #258

Mahalo for those tweets from, Nate.. Cha Apr 2019 #263

BS hires 3rd party jill stein voters on his Cha Apr 2019 #261