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Garrett78

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46. Progressive, of course, is an ambiguous term that nobody owns.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:34 PM
Feb 2019

What really separates Sanders and his ilk from others is their view on identity politics and the notion that classism is essentially all that matters. This is among the reasons why Sanders does so poorly among POC and non-millennial women, even if most Democrats agree with many of his positions and don't dislike him. And Sanders has not done himself any favors by continuing to stick his foot in his mouth on matters of racism and sexism--he just can't help himself.

And there is also some difference of opinion over how we best get from point A to point B (e.g., how we get from where we are to a universal health care system, which has been part of our platform for a very long time).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
Who is this Harris person you speak of? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #1
It's not a diss, and I made no mention of Harris. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #26
Who is the Harris person YOU are speaking of? The OP didn't say anything about Harris. My fear pnwmom Feb 2019 #64
I am not sure Bernie will have the same following as before katmondoo Feb 2019 #2
No, in all likelihood, he'll do worse than last time. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #3
Agreed! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #7
I don't know that familiarity will hurt or help him, but... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #27
Another Point Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #38
That's what I mean by appealing to the same constituency. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #39
Yes, Agreed Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #43
Progressive, of course, is an ambiguous term that nobody owns. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #46
Is That Accurate? Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #53
He's been very dismissive of "identity politics" and the role racism played in Trump's so-called win Garrett78 Feb 2019 #55
Fair Enough Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #57
I mean...that's just a function of math. TCJ70 Feb 2019 #10
There won't be 10+ candidates for long. By Super Tuesday, maybe 5 or 6. If that. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #19
agreed. lindysalsagal Feb 2019 #109
He's not looking good in NH already where he has near 100% name recognition. honest.abe Feb 2019 #4
Right, so why is anyone concerned and fretting KPN Feb 2019 #5
I'm sure you know why. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #6
I frankly don't and don't understand it. KPN Feb 2019 #17
A person can stand no chance and cause harm. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #15
I don't think anyone can say that with any KPN Feb 2019 #20
And history tends to repeat itself. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #67
I understand the concern, but here's why I don't think history will repeat itself, per se: Garrett78 Feb 2019 #68
He is a bull in a china shop. honest.abe Feb 2019 #76
Wrong post placement. Self deleting. n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #106
I'm gobsmacked. WheelWalker Feb 2019 #8
lol Cha Feb 2019 #16
Yeah, it's pretty gobsmacking. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #63
Most of the declared candidates' campaigns are based on wishful thinking. Skinner Feb 2019 #9
That's not really true. The reason we knew on Super Tuesday in 2016 that the race was over... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #18
It's the equivalent of February 2015 now BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #78
It's not about thinking any candidate is the one. But it's simply not the case that... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #85
Too much of a choice. Butterflylady Feb 2019 #11
I dunno. He has some advantages this time around. TCJ70 Feb 2019 #12
another one KayF Feb 2019 #13
Vote-splitting has a variety of causes and impacts. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #21
So it could go favorably or unfavorably... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #73
2016 was much more favorable for Sanders. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #22
Losing a lot of the votes he got last time. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #118
Yep, as I suggested in the post (#22) right above yours, a large field doesn't... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #120
That is why we hold elections. CentralMass Feb 2019 #14
But it's not purely a guessing game. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #23
Demographics Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #40
I'm not talking about where one campaigns, nor am I talking about a general election campaign. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #45
He won't be the nominee. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #24
That's really the only question, and it'll depend on IA and NH. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #25
He keeps half of his support in a twelve person field. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #28
See posts #21 and #22. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #30
I strongly disagree with 21. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #32
Of course the first 2 states are where he's likely to do best. That's kind of the point. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #37
Votes are votes and there are only so many to go around. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #41
I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm saying. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #47
CNN, MSNBC and Politico just love him and will carry his water comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #29
The last question in my OP is the most crucial. Media love can't overcome that. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #33
Indeed, almost as many people disapprove of Bernie as approve of him comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #36
Even if Sanders isn't disliked, per se, he simply can't win without doing considerably better... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #48
I don't disagree. My point is Bernie is still the media's darling and the media comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #62
Picking ANY likely nominee now is "wishful thinking"! Shemp Howard Feb 2019 #31
It's completely different. Again, this isn't pure guesswork. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #34
Sanders Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #35
With a crowded field, it possible that EW, CB, KH, and AK split up the HRC and ex-Bernie vote aikoaiko Feb 2019 #42
See posts 21, 37 and 47. Vote-splitting isn't a binary phenomenon. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #49
You asked how people can see a path and I gave you one. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #50
And I responded to your post by pointing out that that's not how vote-splitting works. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #52
I've no idea who the nominee will be bhikkhu Feb 2019 #44
Maybe the fact that he got 43% of D primary voters last time shanny Feb 2019 #51
See posts #21 and #22. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #54
... shanny Feb 2019 #56
In 2016, there were people who still thought it was a horse race after Super Tuesday. It wasn't. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #58
"Add ten momentum points for every state he won in a row," LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #59
It pretty much was that silly. Hundreds of posts from those in denial. I was here. I remember. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #61
Bernie math. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #69
I really want to post the video, but who needs another alert? :D LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #75
Gonna have to pace myself, lol. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #77
OK shanny Feb 2019 #60
And there's no reason to think he'll get any more this time. I don't know any Hillary voters pnwmom Feb 2019 #65
There seems to be this assumption that vote-splitting is a binary phenomenon. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #66
What reason is there to think he'd do considerably better among ANY group of Hillary voters, pnwmom Feb 2019 #74
And the Never Hillary voters aren't necessarily going to opt for Sanders in 2020. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #125
223k donors think you're wrong Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #70
Not stupid but naive, perhaps. And donors don't determine outcomes. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #71
and there you go again being divisive Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #98
I don't see anyone claiming those you named are likely to be our nominee. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #104
223K donors? Thirty million people voted in the last Democratic primary frazzled Feb 2019 #84
Think about that Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #99
Frazzled said nothing of the kind, just that Bernie's donors won't determine the outcome. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #101
I never said money doesn't matter, just that it's not dispositive frazzled Feb 2019 #108
I was freaked out by his "If I run" email. betsuni Feb 2019 #72
Bernie is tone-deaf. He's the kind of guy who can't grasp colorblind racism. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #86
When I got that "if I run" email, I fell off my chair. It's as if "if" was equivocal. George II Feb 2019 #117
The betting odds which tend to be pretty accurate. Harris and Sanders are neck and neck Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #79
Vote-splitting won't work the way some are imagining it will. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #90
I think some of them are hoping he pulls a Trump. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #80
We don't have winner-take-all primaries like the GOP does. And vote-splitting isn't... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #91
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The notion that he moved the party left is more myth than reality. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #92
He wont even poll in the top 5 leftynyc Feb 2019 #82
Your last question is irrelevant Cartoonist Feb 2019 #83
The last question is the most critical of all. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #88
Actually, his chances are much better than any of us want to believe Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #87
Vote-splitting isn't the binary phenomenon that some seem to think it is. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #89
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Just wanted to point out that the one block Sanders struggles with is white men Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #94
Primary votes is a whole other matter. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #102
The field will get much smaller after the first few primaries. If Sanders doesn't... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #96
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Some people think he "deserves" to be the nominee because he lost last time Runningdawg Feb 2019 #95
I don't get the sense that people feel that way. Instead... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #100
Once the Mueller stuff fades, Trump's approval rating will automatically rebound Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #103
I think you posted in the wrong thread. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #105
The first actual votes are almost a year away. ANYONE can catrch fire Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #107
The last question in my OP is the critical one. Nobody has addressed it. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #111
I smell fear, and a lot of it at that. liftallboats Feb 2019 #110
LOL. Try answering the last question in my OP. You'd be the 1st to do so. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #112
From Bernie's fans? BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #121
I am glad that all candidates will be vetted this cycle Gothmog Feb 2019 #113
He definitely got treated with kid gloves. And the media was actually quite favorable, contrary... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #114
With two black candidates and several woman running he'll do much worse overall. George II Feb 2019 #115
I think he's essentially done after New Hampshire. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #116
Prediction BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #122
As I said in post #22, I think he'll find it tougher to justify doing what he did last time. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #123
There is a cult of personality built around him Politicub Feb 2019 #119
Agreed. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #124
It is a cult of policy. liftallboats Feb 2019 #126
I don't care about logic or analysis forklift Feb 2019 #127
6 milly on the score board makes me emotional!!! liftallboats Feb 2019 #128
I appreciate your honesty. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #129
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