This thread will become a shitstorm.

[Decoy of Fenris]

135. Now you know how we felt. Many of your arguments here are what we said about Clinton in 2016.

When we saw her poll under double digits against Trump. When her unfavorability rating was on equal terms with Trump's. When we saw swing states within the margin of error in polling, states that eventually went for Trump. When we saw indies on the ground, Never Clintoners, but willing to vote for Sanders instead. When we saw the right-wing mobilize with a fury we'd not seen since post-9/11 Bush years against Clinton, but open to voting for Sanders. When the people we knew, lifelong Democrats, were unwilling to vote for Clinton. When we'd ask our friends, our family, our coworkers who was gonna win, they -knew- Clinton would lose without a doubt in their minds.

Your points of view and opinion are valid, but the time for this post isn't now. It was 2016. As it stands now, anyone supporting Sanders in this primary is likely unwaveringly in his camp. The same arguments you make against Sanders have had the exact same effect among some Sanders voters, too, just against the Democratic party. New voters brought into the fold by Sanders are firmly of the mind that only he, or possibly Warren, are worth voting for. The last primary put them off the Democratic party, possibly for good, not because of what Sanders or his surrogates said, but by what Clinton supporters and surrogates said and did as well.

The edge on this blade cuts both ways, Nance. To us, your second to last line is -exactly- what we said last Primary. "Isn't it more to our benefit to support a candidate who is already in a position to get everyone behind them, than a candidate who will never get everyone on board? " We saw the writing on the wall, knew where Clinton's support was, knew where it was lacking, and we knew she'd lose. We were just casually dismissed out of hand, and now you ask the same thing of us that we begged for in 2016, when we were trying to avert this horrid train wreck before it even got started?

Your point is as valid now as ours was back then, of course. That's why I'm open to swapping off Sanders (waiting for the Debates to make that choice), but understand that for many Sanders supporters, posts like yours are not cautionary, they're an affirmation that they're doing something right.