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Gothmog

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93. Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:24 PM
Apr 2019

Nate thinks that it is possible for sander to win the nomination but this is not likely. sanders is not going to be the nominee of the party. sanders thinks that getting 30% of the primary vote is sufficient which means taking the fight to the contested convention. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-can-win-but-he-isnt-polling-like-a-favorite/

Historically, though, candidates who are polling at only about 20 percent nationally despite the near-universal name recognition that Sanders enjoys don’t have a great track record. From our research on the history of past primary polls, I found 15 candidates from past nomination processes who, like Sanders, (i) polled at an average of between 15 percent and 25 percent4 in national polls in the first six months of the year before the Iowa caucuses5 and (ii) who had high or very high name recognition.6.....

Achieving a delegate majority could be hard for Sanders
You could also argue that the three winning candidates from the list — Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 — aren’t good comparisons for Sanders, especially from a “The Party Decides” standpoint where preferences among party insiders and activists are leading indicators of voter preferences. Romney, for instance, had the backing of the GOP party establishment as a potential consensus choice, whereas Sanders largely lacks it from Democrats. Obama was a rising star, rather than someone left over from a previous cycle, and gained a lot of momentum among party elites as the 2008 cycle wore on, even if they also liked Clinton. McCain, who ran against the party establishment in 2000 but was someone the party could live with in 2008, is in some ways the most favorable comparison for Sanders.

In many respects, however, Sanders is more similar to Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, George Wallace in 1972 and 1976 or Ron Paul in 2012, candidates who represented important constituencies within their respective parties but who didn’t have an obvious way to unite the rest of the party behind them or to win a delegate majority.

At times, Sanders’s strategists actually seem to be leaning into the strategy of being a factional candidate. The Sanders campaign may have all kinds of reasons to feel aggrieved by how the party establishment has treated it, especially when it reads articles like the one in The New York Times that suggest the establishment is out to get it again! Nonetheless, the campaign hasn’t sought to mend fences when conflicts have arisen this year. Instead, Sanders aides told The Atlantic’s Edward-Isaac Dovere that they think they can win the nomination with as little as a 30 percent plurality of delegates. That’s a risky strategy since it would necessarily entail a contested convention, where party insiders would play an outsized role. Nor would Sanders, a 77-year-old white man, reflect the various constituencies of the Democratic Party (and the demographics of the delegates themselves) as well as someone like Harris might.

sanders will not be the nominee if sanders only gets 30% of the primary vote. There are too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget. If this gets to a floor fight, the delegates for the other candidates will not support sanders and the super delegates will get to break any deadlocks after the first ballot.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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This quote is of utmost importance tiredtoo Apr 2019 #1
More 08 Obama-disloyal Hillary voters than 2016 Hillary-disloyal Sanders voters? thesquanderer Apr 2019 #6
... lapucelle Apr 2019 #27
Wow. So it really looks like, if our candidate had been Bernie, we would have won those three states thesquanderer Apr 2019 #30
No. He would have had to win he primary first. N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #33
Well of course, he couldn't beat Trump without getting on the ballot! thesquanderer Apr 2019 #37
Yes, but he didn't. Either his voters id not show up or there weren't enough of them. N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #39
NO QUESTION!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #54
So more Clinton voters went for McCain and batshit crazy Sarah Palin... SMC22307 Apr 2019 #24
Yes, but in 2016 those voters put Trump in the White House. lapucelle Apr 2019 #28
Tweets from people I've never heard of? SMC22307 Apr 2019 #31
It doesn't surprise me that you've never heard of these two scholars. lapucelle Apr 2019 #38
"Scolars," eh? LOL SMC22307 Apr 2019 #40
There's no data in your link concerning the impact in those or in any states. lapucelle Apr 2019 #44
Right. I'd like to see tweets from the scholars... SMC22307 Apr 2019 #46
2016 was the first presidential election after the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #41
"Basket of deplorables." SMC22307 Apr 2019 #45
The irony is that despite the truth of what Hillary said, it may have cost her the presidency InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #64
Yep, but let's all blame Bernie. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #83
IKR! Could think of another word to describe their Bernie bashin, but I'll just leave it at divisive InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #84
I could not believe it when she said that. pangaia Apr 2019 #85
Yeah, that sure as hell didn't end well for us. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #86
Another inconvenient truth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #63
But they were the same people in the same percentages Hortensis Apr 2019 #25
I don't believe Sanders will win the nomination. murielm99 Apr 2019 #2
THIS MH1 Apr 2019 #3
You make two presumptions based on no evidence. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #5
What's divisive is saying that there's "no difference" between Democrats and the GOP... NurseJackie Apr 2019 #15
If ALL Trump voters are racist, why did some of them particularly in the rust belt states Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #16
The always leave that part out. ALWAYS. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #23
voting for Obama doesn't mean one can't be racist. the economy was a mess at the time JI7 Apr 2019 #29
If ALL Trump voters had been racist, they wouldn't have voted for Candidate Obama Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #32
no, all racists are not kkk , no nazi types. many are nice to a black mailman JI7 Apr 2019 #35
Not all racists have to be members of the KKK, they still wouldn't vote for a black man Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #36
yes they would and they have. racists include people who claim not to be racist JI7 Apr 2019 #42
Yes, the racism was dormant in many of them and Trump was the figure head Skya Rhen Apr 2019 #49
"My best friend" and voting for a President with immense power over their lives Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #50
not always. just look at Reagan Bush and many other Republican fools many people JI7 Apr 2019 #51
Racism is about power, for a racist to vote for a black man to obtain ultimate power Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #52
they don't think they are racist. they are the type that would say Obamas is one of the JI7 Apr 2019 #53
So you're saying that almost 63 million Trump voters are ALL racists Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #56
the fact they continue to support him after his treatment of Puerto Rico JI7 Apr 2019 #58
That's a pretty large blanket statement, do you know for a fact that ALL of them did? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #60
if they don't then they should have no problem admitting they were wrong JI7 Apr 2019 #61
Trump's poll ratings dropped 20 points after Maria hit Puerto Rico and his non-response, why would Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #65
those include people that didn't vote for him JI7 Apr 2019 #67
Applause BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #87
Love this response artislife Apr 2019 #43
So what else is new?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #55
"Counter to current polling....." brooklynite Apr 2019 #92
Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #95
+1...nt SidDithers Apr 2019 #7
Exactly LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #8
Just like Nader. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #79
Then there is zero concern. Move on. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #4
Thanks for posting. David__77 Apr 2019 #9
The problem is the messenger. crazytown Apr 2019 #10
The solution is with the message and no one carries the message with greater authenticity Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #11
I personally do not think the electorate is looking for (another) angry man crazytown Apr 2019 #12
There is a significant and profound difference between anger and having righteous anger. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #14
Sanders supporters will have no such worries BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #13
Agreed. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #82
Finally! A Sober Analysis Which Bernie Bashers Can't Dismiss Out Of Hand! Thanks For Sharing! (n/t) corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #17
I dismiss it out of hand Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #26
LOL Scurrilous Apr 2019 #66
No doubt they'll find a way. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #57
Excellent read and great analysis. Thank you for sharing Uncle Joe. Devil Child Apr 2019 #18
sanders thinks that he can be the nomiee with only 30% of the vote Gothmog Apr 2019 #19
Does Bernie's 30% strategy assume winner take all primaries? comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #21
Evidently Gothmog Apr 2019 #89
Well, I will be doing everything I can to get Sanders voters to see how toxic he is Steven Maurer Apr 2019 #20
Very good article. I agree with the author on all points. Autumn Apr 2019 #22
I agree on all counts. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #34
Yes... hopefully, this article will get Bernie's opponents to see the error of their ways... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #62
Yes, because saying those that don't bow down to the almighty BS have "impotence" isn't divisive n/t SFnomad Apr 2019 #72
Guess not... nevermind. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #74
If you don't want divisiveness ... don't put it in the OP. It's not rocket science n/t SFnomad Apr 2019 #75
So, now it's divisive to point out divisiveness... okay, I get it, but then why so divisive?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #76
No ... it's divisive to call those that don't bow down to BS that they have ... "impotence" SFnomad Apr 2019 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Apr 2019 #47
I can't think of a better way to reach out to Sanders septics than to call them impotent. RandySF Apr 2019 #48
BOOOOOOM!!! Drop the mic!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #59
LOL! The Bernie supporters' version of painting "Surrender Dorothy" across ths sky. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #68
Crap?! Really?! You can keep dissing Bernie's supporters, sure, but youre only provin the OP's point InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #78
I think the biggest fear for BS supports is that BS is at his ceiling, he won't do much better SFnomad Apr 2019 #81
+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #88
It's posts like this qazplm135 Apr 2019 #69
Yep. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #70
+1 n/t SFnomad Apr 2019 #73
Pfffft... BooScout Apr 2019 #71
Easter Sunday. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #80
I doubt that sanders will be the nominee Gothmog Apr 2019 #90
Of course I've got a hundred other reasons to oppose St. Bern Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #91
Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #93
I keep reading this as "the importance." ha nt OhZone Apr 2019 #94
Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #96
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