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In reply to the discussion: The Impotence of "Stop Sanders" Democrats [View all]Gothmog
(181,602 posts)93. Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite
Nate thinks that it is possible for sander to win the nomination but this is not likely. sanders is not going to be the nominee of the party. sanders thinks that getting 30% of the primary vote is sufficient which means taking the fight to the contested convention. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-can-win-but-he-isnt-polling-like-a-favorite/
Historically, though, candidates who are polling at only about 20 percent nationally despite the near-universal name recognition that Sanders enjoys dont have a great track record. From our research on the history of past primary polls, I found 15 candidates from past nomination processes who, like Sanders, (i) polled at an average of between 15 percent and 25 percent4 in national polls in the first six months of the year before the Iowa caucuses5 and (ii) who had high or very high name recognition.6.....
Achieving a delegate majority could be hard for Sanders
You could also argue that the three winning candidates from the list Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 arent good comparisons for Sanders, especially from a The Party Decides standpoint where preferences among party insiders and activists are leading indicators of voter preferences. Romney, for instance, had the backing of the GOP party establishment as a potential consensus choice, whereas Sanders largely lacks it from Democrats. Obama was a rising star, rather than someone left over from a previous cycle, and gained a lot of momentum among party elites as the 2008 cycle wore on, even if they also liked Clinton. McCain, who ran against the party establishment in 2000 but was someone the party could live with in 2008, is in some ways the most favorable comparison for Sanders.
In many respects, however, Sanders is more similar to Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, George Wallace in 1972 and 1976 or Ron Paul in 2012, candidates who represented important constituencies within their respective parties but who didnt have an obvious way to unite the rest of the party behind them or to win a delegate majority.
At times, Sanderss strategists actually seem to be leaning into the strategy of being a factional candidate. The Sanders campaign may have all kinds of reasons to feel aggrieved by how the party establishment has treated it, especially when it reads articles like the one in The New York Times that suggest the establishment is out to get it again! Nonetheless, the campaign hasnt sought to mend fences when conflicts have arisen this year. Instead, Sanders aides told The Atlantics Edward-Isaac Dovere that they think they can win the nomination with as little as a 30 percent plurality of delegates. Thats a risky strategy since it would necessarily entail a contested convention, where party insiders would play an outsized role. Nor would Sanders, a 77-year-old white man, reflect the various constituencies of the Democratic Party (and the demographics of the delegates themselves) as well as someone like Harris might.
Achieving a delegate majority could be hard for Sanders
You could also argue that the three winning candidates from the list Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 arent good comparisons for Sanders, especially from a The Party Decides standpoint where preferences among party insiders and activists are leading indicators of voter preferences. Romney, for instance, had the backing of the GOP party establishment as a potential consensus choice, whereas Sanders largely lacks it from Democrats. Obama was a rising star, rather than someone left over from a previous cycle, and gained a lot of momentum among party elites as the 2008 cycle wore on, even if they also liked Clinton. McCain, who ran against the party establishment in 2000 but was someone the party could live with in 2008, is in some ways the most favorable comparison for Sanders.
In many respects, however, Sanders is more similar to Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, George Wallace in 1972 and 1976 or Ron Paul in 2012, candidates who represented important constituencies within their respective parties but who didnt have an obvious way to unite the rest of the party behind them or to win a delegate majority.
At times, Sanderss strategists actually seem to be leaning into the strategy of being a factional candidate. The Sanders campaign may have all kinds of reasons to feel aggrieved by how the party establishment has treated it, especially when it reads articles like the one in The New York Times that suggest the establishment is out to get it again! Nonetheless, the campaign hasnt sought to mend fences when conflicts have arisen this year. Instead, Sanders aides told The Atlantics Edward-Isaac Dovere that they think they can win the nomination with as little as a 30 percent plurality of delegates. Thats a risky strategy since it would necessarily entail a contested convention, where party insiders would play an outsized role. Nor would Sanders, a 77-year-old white man, reflect the various constituencies of the Democratic Party (and the demographics of the delegates themselves) as well as someone like Harris might.
sanders will not be the nominee if sanders only gets 30% of the primary vote. There are too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget. If this gets to a floor fight, the delegates for the other candidates will not support sanders and the super delegates will get to break any deadlocks after the first ballot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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More 08 Obama-disloyal Hillary voters than 2016 Hillary-disloyal Sanders voters?
thesquanderer
Apr 2019
#6
Wow. So it really looks like, if our candidate had been Bernie, we would have won those three states
thesquanderer
Apr 2019
#30
Yes, but he didn't. Either his voters id not show up or there weren't enough of them. N/T
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#39
There's no data in your link concerning the impact in those or in any states.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#44
2016 was the first presidential election after the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. N/T
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#41
The irony is that despite the truth of what Hillary said, it may have cost her the presidency
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#64
IKR! Could think of another word to describe their Bernie bashin, but I'll just leave it at divisive
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#84
What's divisive is saying that there's "no difference" between Democrats and the GOP...
NurseJackie
Apr 2019
#15
If ALL Trump voters are racist, why did some of them particularly in the rust belt states
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#16
voting for Obama doesn't mean one can't be racist. the economy was a mess at the time
JI7
Apr 2019
#29
If ALL Trump voters had been racist, they wouldn't have voted for Candidate Obama
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#32
Not all racists have to be members of the KKK, they still wouldn't vote for a black man
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#36
"My best friend" and voting for a President with immense power over their lives
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#50
Racism is about power, for a racist to vote for a black man to obtain ultimate power
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#52
they don't think they are racist. they are the type that would say Obamas is one of the
JI7
Apr 2019
#53
That's a pretty large blanket statement, do you know for a fact that ALL of them did?
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#60
Trump's poll ratings dropped 20 points after Maria hit Puerto Rico and his non-response, why would
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#65
The solution is with the message and no one carries the message with greater authenticity
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#11
There is a significant and profound difference between anger and having righteous anger.
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#14
Finally! A Sober Analysis Which Bernie Bashers Can't Dismiss Out Of Hand! Thanks For Sharing! (n/t)
corbettkroehler
Apr 2019
#17
Well, I will be doing everything I can to get Sanders voters to see how toxic he is
Steven Maurer
Apr 2019
#20
Yes... hopefully, this article will get Bernie's opponents to see the error of their ways...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#62
Yes, because saying those that don't bow down to the almighty BS have "impotence" isn't divisive n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#72
If you don't want divisiveness ... don't put it in the OP. It's not rocket science n/t
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#75
So, now it's divisive to point out divisiveness... okay, I get it, but then why so divisive?!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#76
No ... it's divisive to call those that don't bow down to BS that they have ... "impotence"
SFnomad
Apr 2019
#77
I can't think of a better way to reach out to Sanders septics than to call them impotent.
RandySF
Apr 2019
#48
LOL! The Bernie supporters' version of painting "Surrender Dorothy" across ths sky.
highplainsdem
Apr 2019
#68
Crap?! Really?! You can keep dissing Bernie's supporters, sure, but youre only provin the OP's point
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2019
#78