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Gothmog

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48. Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 05:35 PM
Apr 2019

Nate thinks that it is possible for sander to win the nomination but this is not likely. sanders is not going to be the nominee of the party. sanders thinks that getting 30% of the primary vote is sufficient which means taking the fight to the contested convention. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-can-win-but-he-isnt-polling-like-a-favorite/

Historically, though, candidates who are polling at only about 20 percent nationally despite the near-universal name recognition that Sanders enjoys don’t have a great track record. From our research on the history of past primary polls, I found 15 candidates from past nomination processes who, like Sanders, (i) polled at an average of between 15 percent and 25 percent4 in national polls in the first six months of the year before the Iowa caucuses5 and (ii) who had high or very high name recognition.6.....

Achieving a delegate majority could be hard for Sanders
You could also argue that the three winning candidates from the list — Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 — aren’t good comparisons for Sanders, especially from a “The Party Decides” standpoint where preferences among party insiders and activists are leading indicators of voter preferences. Romney, for instance, had the backing of the GOP party establishment as a potential consensus choice, whereas Sanders largely lacks it from Democrats. Obama was a rising star, rather than someone left over from a previous cycle, and gained a lot of momentum among party elites as the 2008 cycle wore on, even if they also liked Clinton. McCain, who ran against the party establishment in 2000 but was someone the party could live with in 2008, is in some ways the most favorable comparison for Sanders.

In many respects, however, Sanders is more similar to Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, George Wallace in 1972 and 1976 or Ron Paul in 2012, candidates who represented important constituencies within their respective parties but who didn’t have an obvious way to unite the rest of the party behind them or to win a delegate majority.

At times, Sanders’s strategists actually seem to be leaning into the strategy of being a factional candidate. The Sanders campaign may have all kinds of reasons to feel aggrieved by how the party establishment has treated it, especially when it reads articles like the one in The New York Times that suggest the establishment is out to get it again! Nonetheless, the campaign hasn’t sought to mend fences when conflicts have arisen this year. Instead, Sanders aides told The Atlantic’s Edward-Isaac Dovere that they think they can win the nomination with as little as a 30 percent plurality of delegates. That’s a risky strategy since it would necessarily entail a contested convention, where party insiders would play an outsized role. Nor would Sanders, a 77-year-old white man, reflect the various constituencies of the Democratic Party (and the demographics of the delegates themselves) as well as someone like Harris might.

sanders will not be the nominee if sanders only gets 30% of the primary vote. There are too many real democrats who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget. If this gets to a floor fight, the delegates for the other candidates will not support sanders and the super delegates will get to break any deadlocks after the first ballot.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Tulsi Gabbard? Seriously? Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #1
At least s/he selected someone question everything Apr 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #5
If you're trying to say something about me, just come out and fuckin' say it... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #6
Not about you. But with such an active site, still puzzled that the majority here question everything Apr 2019 #8
Since you're keeping score, you'll remember who I initially had before I went back to undec, right? Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #11
You're just being baited. Walk away. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #16
If they read the question, I don't believe most Undecideds truly are. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #42
How about.. sacto95834 Apr 2019 #29
re: "What are you going to do if your favorite candidate drops out early or performs poorly?" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #43
I hear you... sacto95834 Apr 2019 #45
Exactly. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #70
The majority of DUers aren't undecided, 43% of DUers are currently undecided. nt PunkinPi Apr 2019 #36
Hilariously, the same same sentiment can apply to your original comment. Lancero Apr 2019 #17
Someone pimpin' Tulsi says a hell of a lot more than my undecided... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #26
Why isn't it ok to be undecided at this point? Bradshaw3 Apr 2019 #10
that's a pretty jerkish comment qazplm135 Apr 2019 #12
It is? BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #20
What is wrong with undecided? cwydro Apr 2019 #32
I don't either at this point. To be honest there doc03 Jul 2019 #76
They changed to Seth Moulton. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #64
Nah, too many others who will pull votes from him. He's got his loyal base but it isn't the base... brush Apr 2019 #2
Oddly enough, when I checked RCP, TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #71
Gotta Love Tulsi bahrbearian Apr 2019 #4
Tulsi is my homie! sacto95834 Apr 2019 #35
"without the attention or scrutiny" bluedigger Apr 2019 #7
Right workinclasszero Apr 2019 #14
That stood out to me as well. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #15
No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted Gothmog Apr 2019 #23
I'm glad that all of the candidates are being vetted. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #73
Vetting is a good thing Gothmog Jul 2019 #80
No, a number of other things are going on. But #1 Hortensis Apr 2019 #9
it's not really even started yet qazplm135 Apr 2019 #13
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #18
sanders supporters think that sanders can win nomination with 30% of vote Gothmog Apr 2019 #22
Check further down the thread. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #74
That is not going to happen Gothmog Jul 2019 #79
Or Biden's base artislife Apr 2019 #27
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #19
sanders is counting on splitting African American vote Gothmog Apr 2019 #21
He needs a new plan then booksandpencils Apr 2019 #37
You are correct. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #75
And infighting MFM008 Apr 2019 #24
Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #49
'stick with sanders no matter what..? i hope that means they will support the dem nom..??? samnsara Apr 2019 #25
Yes .. he has consolidated his devotees BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #28
You're aware he got 43% of the primary vote in 16 right? Kentonio Apr 2019 #38
Like I said somewhere else BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #39
We'll see. Kentonio Apr 2019 #40
The proof is in the polls BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #41
The polls show him in the lead amongst announced candidates. Kentonio Apr 2019 #44
From 43% in the primaries in 2016 BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #46
Pretty nonsense analysis to be honest. Kentonio Apr 2019 #47
A lot of assumptions there. Leaving out Biden and Sanders, the cumulative support for the other still_one Apr 2019 #30
I do think it looks reasonably good for Sanders. David__77 Apr 2019 #31
You do know many real democrats have long memories Gothmog Apr 2019 #34
sanders wants to repeat 1984 Gothmog Apr 2019 #33
Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #48
This thread didn't age well. nt TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #50
It's aged just fine. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #51
Being consistent at 15-20% of the vote won't win the nomination, particularly if there are other TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #52
It will when there are 18 other canidates vying for the same kind of support Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #53
LOL. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #54
Agreed. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #55
Perhaps you misunderstood my comment because we aren't in agreement. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #56
Perhaps you misunderstood mine Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #58
That's a bold statement TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #59
Polls rght now are as accurate as polls were at this time in 2015 Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #60
I don't bet on any political races TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #61
... Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #62
Biden never lost a single primary. George II Jul 2019 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #67
Why would anyone make such a claim when is knowingly false TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #68
That's what I Cha Jul 2019 #63
Oh my sheshe2 Jul 2019 #66
Yes, as discussed above some people believe that 15% is greater than 25%. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #69
Lol sheshe2 Jul 2019 #72
Many expect the situation only to get worse now that the BS campaign is embroiled lapucelle Jul 2019 #77
Yes, I agree. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #78
If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Jul 2019 #57
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