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hedda_foil

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57. The only difference between advisors and lobbyists in this context is purely rhetorical.

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:25 PM

Apr 2019

Joe is being sold exactly as every other establishment endorsed nominee of lo these many years. Shall we count the won-lost record of these nominees the party establishment considered most electable vs those who weren't their preferred nominee? Let's see.

Year Name Won/Lost Most "Electable"?
1976 Jimmy Carter Won No
1980 Carter Lost Yes
1984 Mondale Lost Yes
1988 Dukakis Lost Yes
1992 Clinton Won No
1996 Clinton Won No
2000 Gore Lost Yes (ran away from Clinton, as advised)
2004 Kerry Lost Yes
2008 Obama Won No (Hillary was their favorite)
2012 Obama Won Yes
2016 H. Clinton Lost Yes
2020 Biden? Yes

Yes there are decent excuses to be made for all the losses, but the won-lost record of the Democratic establishment sucks. Anyone who supports a candidate because they're supposed to be the most electable should probably ask "Says Who?"

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Union-Busting Lawyer to Host Biden's 1st Fundraiser Thursday [View all] progressoid Apr 2019 OP

And then there is what is actually at the link. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #1

+1 LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #4

Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #14

They're lawyers. They work for clients. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #17

They accept and specialize their work for certain clients and not others. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #18

Like almost all lawyers... LanternWaste Apr 2019 #29

Indeed. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #31

Right. And their clients happen to be those at the top and not the workers. progressoid Apr 2019 #38

"Unionized clients" mean management, not unions nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #65

So what...they are one of 12...you need money. They are corporate lawyers... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #32

If I had decided on a candidate, maybe your comment would hit home. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #34

Just because Joe gets money from "union busters" doesn't mean they'll buy him off -- gateley Apr 2019 #51

Wink wink MyNameGoesHere Apr 2019 #52

People might not believe it, but I don't have a preference in the primary. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #53

Oh please ...it is a Comcast fundraiser. And I dont give two fucks in the age of United Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #67

Maybe I missing something. What part of that is a good thing? progressoid Apr 2019 #5

The fact that they represent unions. Not sure how you are missing it. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #6

No they don't... brooklynite Apr 2019 #8

Here is the bottom line. The post is misleading it is sponsored by Comcast, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #37

Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #10

That entire paragraph deals with their work on behalf of management. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #12

"For our unionized clients" progressoid Apr 2019 #13

NIce try for a smear ...undecided huh? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #15

Yep. Undecided. progressoid Apr 2019 #25

You mean you actually read more than a headline? tymorial Apr 2019 #27

Yes, you DO have to read more than a headline. progressoid Apr 2019 #41

Cough tymorial Apr 2019 #46

So they will argue any position for money. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #54

Only if that position supports the employer. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #59

And? George II Apr 2019 #2

Not exactly the best way to show you have the backs of the rust belt union members. progressoid Apr 2019 #3

Did you read it. They represent union as well. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #16

"For our unionized clients" progressoid Apr 2019 #19

Please highlight the part where they represent unions. I'm not seeing it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #21

Too time consuming tymorial Apr 2019 #28

No worries... as each candidate is imperfect. LanternWaste Apr 2019 #30

Right all corporations are evil.,.this purity crap is why we lose. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #60

Who said all corporations are evil? progressoid Apr 2019 #68

The Dem party supports unions. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #7

What's to figure out? Haven't you seen all the union endorsements that Biden already has? George II Apr 2019 #35

Biden has not gotten any union endorsements. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #36

See post #1, thank you. George II Apr 2019 #39

Am I through the looking glass? This is an anti-union law firm. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #42

No it isn't. George II Apr 2019 #43

Post no. 1 shows it is. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #47

Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden? progressoid Apr 2019 #50

Mike Elk... lapucelle Apr 2019 #58

Bashing! Hit Job! Assasination! Smear! brooklynite Apr 2019 #9

Funny but what you say is true,..all of those things. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #20

Glad to see this thread come back. Some people just don't like the truth. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #11

Yeah and some only tell part of the truth. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22

You are so correct Lordquinton Apr 2019 #23

It's an anti-union law firm. That's it. Some people are okay with it, some aren't. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #24

Cohen may not be a lobbyist, but he sure employs a lot of lobbyists. dogman Apr 2019 #45

And some don't mind bashing prominent and well respected members of the Democratic Party. George II Apr 2019 #40

The truth isn't bashing. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #44

all noise, to bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates beachbum bob Apr 2019 #26

Excuse me? "Bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates?" marylandblue Apr 2019 #49

This report is spot on. Some need to open their eyes and read. Hint: "This is an apple" mobeau69 Apr 2019 #33

Doesn't bother me at all.. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61

But do you like it? mobeau69 Apr 2019 #70

They are advisors, not Union busters. Blue_true Apr 2019 #48

It is pure semantics. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #55

Actually they are. Thanks for helping with wording. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #62

The only difference between advisors and lobbyists in this context is purely rhetorical. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #57

Well. Blue_true Apr 2019 #63

I think it's called hedging your bet. jalan48 Apr 2019 #56

Mm, hm. Joe is the "safe" candidate... Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #64

Tossing Trump out of office. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #72

Um Comcast is hosting it. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #66

In 2013, Cohen endorsed sitting Republican Governor Tom Corbett for the Governor's bid. progressoid Apr 2019 #69

Well that's better. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #71

Biden co-host Dan Hilferty's group (AHIP)pumped $102 million in 14 months to try and block Obamacare Celerity Apr 2019 #73

This is the kind of holier-than-thou circular firing squad crap that softened up Hillary for Trump EffieBlack Apr 2019 #74