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Bucky

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90. This is part of the Gordian knot that holds this issue together.

Wed Feb 27, 2019, 05:12 PM

Feb 2019

Will descendants of the Cherokee and Chippewa and Creek nations have to pay the descendants of African slaves out of the reparations that the descendants of their white persecutors pay to them? Will the whites who are not descendants of Indian removers nor of slave holders still be responsible for those reparation payments just because of their race--even if most of their ancestors weren't even in the country at the time of the atrocities?

This issue is a bottomless Byzantine maze of side issues. It makes me regret us having ever held slaves in the first place.

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Castro and others come out in favor reparations. [View all] rogue emissary Feb 2019 OP

Explain how you sell reparations to a General Election population. brooklynite Feb 2019 #1

Again listen to Castro response. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #2

Which will get interesting when we talk about Native American tribes that owned slaves LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #4

As I wrote it's a huge issue. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #6

Talking about it will make the Republican much more likely to get elected brooklynite Feb 2019 #7

So can we stop talking about free education, rogue emissary Feb 2019 #13

Those ideas are far less radical and disruptive than Reparations. brooklynite Feb 2019 #15

Critics of each of those issue say the same thing. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #19

If there's "division", it's because this issue DOESN'T have support by a significant voter share brooklynite Feb 2019 #25

No, cause we don't even have a policy. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #29

In the absence of a policy, it allows opponents to frame it in the worst case terms. brooklynite Feb 2019 #31

+1,000,000 oasis Feb 2019 #50

Back in high school an "indigenous" friend (wish we knew Hortensis Feb 2019 #82

Thanks for injecting reality into the discussion Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #83

You don't think that's been tried before??? nt Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #30

To a GE audience? Definitely not brooklynite Feb 2019 #63

There are a lot of ideas I think are never going to happen. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #3

The majority of the country DownriverDem Feb 2019 #58

Good.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #5

Well then, I guess we're a wash... brooklynite Feb 2019 #8

What has Harris and Warren said about reparations? Polybius Feb 2019 #46

..... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #48

This is a loser position calguy Feb 2019 #9

It's moronic! I don't have a candidate yet. Most of those who are announced.. Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #12

I sure wish I could disagree! True Blue American Feb 2019 #54

"Queen of mean?" Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #59

Go bother somebody else. Don't come at me like you know me. Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #72

Don't regurgitate sexist claptrap and it won't be an issue. Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #73

You probably believe because I have a low post count, I'm a newbie... Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #74

Were you 103 with a post count of 400K, you would still be Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #78

How do I get this person to stop harassing me. My God, you're sickening. nt Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #79

I guess we can go ahead and check the "no" box on that substance thing. Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #81

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #80

Nice Bucky Feb 2019 #87

See post 13. I ask the same question to you. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #14

See post 15. calguy Feb 2019 #17

Talking about it isn't going to doom us. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #32

There's precedent for reparations. Native Americans, Jewish people and others... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #10

Exactly, my family never took or benefited rogue emissary Feb 2019 #16

Affirmative action was supposed to be a form of reparations... Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #28

Wake up BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #51

This is dumb. Warren, Harris, now Castro. Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #11

It's not pandering. It's long overdue and sensible policy. Nobody is talking about... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #18

So you really think the majority of voters will appreciate the discussion??? Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #23

Did I say that anywhere in my post? Garrett78 Feb 2019 #34

Did I say you said it anywhere in my post??? I asked you a question. nt Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #35

Right. Because everyone who is just asking a question replies to a post by saying... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #37

Ok you got me. Do you mind answering the question now? nt Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #38

Why is it sensible? Vinnie From Indy Feb 2019 #24

It isn't sensible. It's the third rail of politics. nt Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #27

Because justice. That's why. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #40

This is an election. The goal in winning is to not run on third rail issues.. Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #43

I don't know how to make it more clear that I'm not advocating running on this issue. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #44

Do you have a link to Coates's article defending it? Bucky Feb 2019 #89

Foolishness. Adrahil Feb 2019 #20

People think the exact same thing with the Green New Deal rogue emissary Feb 2019 #21

Yep. And abolishing healthcare companies... Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #26

I don't have to agree with a candidate on everything. NT Adrahil Feb 2019 #53

Be cool if someone had argued you did... LanternWaste Feb 2019 #75

Why not just wait until after we have won the election? Vinnie From Indy Feb 2019 #22

That's not how a democracy works. If you want a policy, you gotta get a mandate for it. Bucky Feb 2019 #88

This is a dead end. Shemp Howard Feb 2019 #33

Wrong. Jobs don't solve everything. Classism doesn't reign supreme. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #36

Thank you Garrett78. rogue emissary Feb 2019 #41

What are you talking about? Shemp Howard Feb 2019 #42

Garrett78 was illustrating the sheer IDIOCY and tone-deaf notion that jobs solve everything Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #60

OUCH! Bucky Feb 2019 #91

Oh, I know, I know. "There there little lady, simmer down now" Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #94

You're talking about a sea change in Eyeball_Kid Feb 2019 #39

Correct - that's why it needs to be JustAnotherGen Feb 2019 #66

Stick a fork in him nt doc03 Feb 2019 #45

If you want Reparations, you have to solve four problems brooklynite Feb 2019 #47

Thank you for this post. It's a great template for understanding the maze Bucky Feb 2019 #93

Propose a commission to explore the possibility. No promises, please. oasis Feb 2019 #49

Nope. It's not like the issue has never come up. The mere mention Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #67

As talk of "impeachment" would have worked against Dems in 2018, any oasis Feb 2019 #68

Agreed. Do not raise issues that are GUARANTEED to turn off not only swing voters... Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #69

With 2020 safely behind us, the conversation can be restarted. nt oasis Feb 2019 #71

I'll take things that will never happen... tonedevil Feb 2019 #86

Can't push it forward right now. That's all. Forums oasis Feb 2019 #95

This is a topic... tonedevil Feb 2019 #96

The United Nations' Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent visited the US in 2015. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #52

Reparations is an official act of healing. Even openly talking about it is healing. ancianita Feb 2019 #55

How healing is an election loss? brooklynite Feb 2019 #64

Sometimes a powerful idea catches hold. You never know, do you, if the idea guarantees loss. ancianita Feb 2019 #65

Any talk of reparations that doesn't have autonomous land as it's basis solidLxxi Feb 2019 #56

Just what the Democrats need: another controversial issue. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #57

It might...It might...Yeah, but also might not.. Why risk it? Kahuna7 Feb 2019 #70

I won't support any candidate who endorses this idea.* BostonBlue Feb 2019 #61

If you won't support the Democratic nominee, you're on the wrong website. Bucky Feb 2019 #92

I think this is a losing issue. Mr. Smith Feb 2019 #62

Which is why all the candidates say they're open to discussing it Bucky Feb 2019 #77

How about the Indians, they had their land taken away from them katmondoo Feb 2019 #76

But those tribes took their African slaves with them, which complicates the issue. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #84

This is part of the Gordian knot that holds this issue together. Bucky Feb 2019 #90

Or Mexican Americans who were illegally force-deported in the 1930s and 1950s. Bucky Feb 2019 #85

Interestingly, Bernie still hasn't... Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #97