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Amimnoch

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7. Correlation does not equal causation.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 05:15 AM
Apr 2019

Breaking each example down:

1. Al Gore: Basically lost as a result of a Supreme court decision. But more than that, we'd just had 8 years of Bill Clinton. Most forget that after 8 years of any party being in control, it's EXTREMELY rare that the same party wins a 3rd term for change of guard. Not since FDR has the Democratic Party held the office for more than 2 consecutive terms, and on the Republican side, only George HW Bush (a "safe" candidate I'll note) has broken that same trend.

2. John Kerry - Just as it's very rare for a party to retain the presidency after 2 consecutive terms, it's almost as rare for an opposing party to oust an incumbent candidate running for their second term. George HW Bush was one example of a single term, losing to one of the "long-shot" candidates you'd mentioned. Considering other factors though, such as 12 years of Republicans holding the office, and the Ross Perot factor (he likely would have retained, and gone on to a second term without the 3rd party running of Ross Perot).

3. Hillary Clinton: Much like Gore above, 2016 wasn't really our year to win, as much as Republicans year to lose. We'd had 8 years of President Obama, and in #1 above I pointed out just how rare it is for either party to hold the Presidency more than 2 consecutive terms. I won't even begin to go into all the other factors such as her popular vote victory, or the contentious primary season in a year where, frankly, having a contentious primary was a stupid way to go.

4. Mitt Romney: Another candidate running against an incumbent. He was also running against a highly popular sitting president who had turned one of the worst recessions since the Great Depression around. See #2 above.

5. John McCain - Same as #1 and #3 above. 8 years of Republicans holding the office + downturned economy.

The Safe candidates mentioned also played into the longshots you mentioned, so I won't recap.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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What we need is one that draws enthusiastic support. We have one his name is Joe Biden .... stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #1
I agree Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #2
So do that ...me I am all about getting rid of Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #17
As am I Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #35
There is a distinction between "long shot" and "fringe" brooklynite Apr 2019 #3
I would have generalized it a little more than you, but agree with the point you are making still_one Apr 2019 #51
Hillary only drew 70K fewer votes than Obama 4 years earlier DESPITE the SCOTUS dismantling pnwmom Apr 2019 #4
Thanks for reminding BlueMTexpat Apr 2019 #9
I agree, only I see Biden is drawing more enthusiasm AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #5
a big turn out is key. Foreign players are certain to interfere. the candidate Kurt V. Apr 2019 #6
Correlation does not equal causation. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #7
Based on the reception at the "She the People" forum, BlueMTexpat Apr 2019 #8
Exactly, BlueMT! Elizabeth, Kamala, and Cha Apr 2019 #10
Keeping my fingers VERY crossed! BlueMTexpat Apr 2019 #41
Oh wow.. mcconnell is Cha Apr 2019 #43
Harris and Warren are from Blue States so i'm not that worried there. Sherrod Brown was the only one JI7 Apr 2019 #12
I was glad that he decided to BlueMTexpat Apr 2019 #42
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #27
Regarding the good Senators cannabis_flower Apr 2019 #29
Answering your questions brer cat Apr 2019 #32
Thanks, brer cat! BlueMTexpat Apr 2019 #40
While it is true that they are from blue BlueMTexpat Apr 2019 #39
the democrats won because they ran better campaigns. Romney and McCain won because the crazies split JI7 Apr 2019 #11
Agreed colsohlibgal Apr 2019 #13
Do you guys hear how cruel this snark against older (and) younger white men has become? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #15
+ 1 3Hotdogs Apr 2019 #18
Thanks! Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #24
Age is a pragmatic concern. It is legitimate to take it into account. Demit Apr 2019 #28
Here is a list of states we must have to stop Trump... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #14
How do you propose countering Putin in those states, and others? delisen Apr 2019 #46
I can't think of a policy that will elicit more enthusiasm than this gem from Biden's Nanjeanne Apr 2019 #16
We have no way to pass Medicare for all...not sure I like it. There will Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22
Yes. Talking about health INSURANCE rather than health CARE is a tell, to me. Demit Apr 2019 #30
Hillary Clinton as potentially the first female president was not "safe" Agschmid Apr 2019 #19
No she wasn't. It is terrible how she was treated and how she is still Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #26
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2019 #47
Your list isn't safe vs. long-shot, it's less charismatic vs. more charismatic. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #20
+1 progressoid Apr 2019 #33
I've said the same thing... great minds think alike!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #34
Long shot candidates can inspire more turnout and get more attention IronLionZion Apr 2019 #21
This election isn't about Longshot and safe. It is about taking three Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23
How does he inspire turnout in those states? IronLionZion Apr 2019 #36
Democrats need to worry about something else besides Trump, watoos Apr 2019 #25
As evidenced by the overwhelming victories namahage Apr 2019 #38
Folks are fed up Jarqui Apr 2019 #31
Electability is a key factor in this primary Gothmog Apr 2019 #37
This is what I've been trying to say! rgbecker Apr 2019 #44
NO dem candidate is 'safe' from GOP attack dogs, M$M bobbieinok Apr 2019 #45
Agreed. Go Joe! LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #48
Yes! /nt jimlup Apr 2019 #49
I think Joe will have tons of enthusiastic support. honest.abe Apr 2019 #50
Agreed, 100%. doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #52
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