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EffieBlack

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125. Unfortunately, this bears repeating ... Again
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 06:17 PM
Apr 2019
Why "Bernie was arrested in '63" is an inappropriate answer to criticism of his civil rights record

Let me preface this by saying this is in no way an attack on - or even a criticism of - Bernie Sanders or a diminishment of his civil rights activism in the 1960s or an effort to "refight the primaries."

But all too frequently, any attempt to question or, God forbid, criticize, Sanders' record, attitudes or comments on civil rights today is met with a reminder that he was arrested while protesting for civil rights in 1963, often with an accompanying photograph and sarcastic comments such as "Here's a picture of Bernie hating black people," or similarly snide remarks.

So, let me explain why such responses to questions about Sanders' current record are not only completely beside the point, but show an ignorance about the civil rights movement, not to mention an arrogance and paternalism that is very galling to me and many other African Americans. Maybe, once folks understand this in a little more depth, they will be less likely to dismiss us in such a way.

First, I think it's great that Bernie Sanders and tens of thousands of other young white college students participated in civil rights protests across the country during the 1960s. They truly made a difference, whatever their contribution.

Some, like Bernie, participated in protests at or near their schools. Some traveled to other parts of the country to protest. Some went into the deep South to help organize and work on an ongoing basis. Some joined protests that put them in serious danger - such as the Freedom Riders who had no idea whether they would come back alive and, sadly, some did not. But whatever the degree and depth of their participation, every one made a difference.

Bernie Sanders' participation was admirable and laudable and appreciated. But he did not get involved or make the kinds of sacrifices that many other students made. Again - that's not a knock on him, just the reality. He participated in protests in which he knew that he would not face great harm or risk to his body, life or future. He joined a protest in which the students planned to be arrested, practiced for it (the movement trained protesters in non-violence and how to be arrested so as not to be injured or accused of resisting arrest). He also likely knew, going in, that, like most white students in these protests, he would not be physically abused, his rights would be protected, he would be released shortly thereafter and his penalty would be a small fine - in this case $25 - and the arrest would not have any negative impact on his education or future career.

The benefit of this type of protest did not come in the suffering or brutality that many black and white protesters endured elsewhere, but in showing the country the power and numbers behind the movement. And they were very important and very effective.

So, I have nothing but praise for what Bernie did in 1963. He was a small part of something very important. He did the right thing. He could have stayed in his comfy dorm room, but he went out, inconvenienced himself, and lent himself to the fight. He was on the right side of history.

But people should recognize that participating in a righteous fight in the past does not, in and of itself, completely define a person for all time. Charlton Heston marched with Dr. King. As a college student, Mitch McConnell participated in the March on Washington and worked for a senator who helped to break the filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. I'm certainly not comparing Bernie to these two men, but just noting that support for civil rights in 1964 does not, by itself, mean that someone's positions can't be and shouldn't be questioned. And it surely doesn't make those who participated in it civil rights experts or icons who must be revered by virtue of what they did 55 years ago.

But more important is this simple fact: The civil rights movement was not a gift to black people. It wasn't a movement in which white people GAVE something to or did something for us. It was a movement, led by black people, in which Americans of all races joined together, prayed together, fought together and died together not to save us but to save AMERICA.

So, in my view, the notion that participation in the movement confers on a white person some special grace because they did something for black people and, as a result, black people must be forever grateful and cannot ever raise any question about their positions is not just insulting, it shows an incredible lack of understanding of what the civil rights movement really was. And it reveals a shallow and paternalistic view of civil rights and social justice as a movement based on an erroneous assumption that YOU did something for US and we should be forever grateful - and if we aren't, we are somehow betraying YOU.

For me, the bottom line is that Bernie Sanders did the right thing in 1963. I give him a lot of credit for that. But that credit is not unlimited and it definitely isn't a bottomless store of goodwill that shields him from any responsibility for or scrutiny of his subsequent actions, positions, views, or comments today. I appreciate what he did, but I don't OWE him anything, including reverent acceptance of whatever he says or does, for it.

So, again, I say, Thank you, Senator Sanders for doing the right thing 55 years ago and joining with us to help bring America closer to the more perfect union that we ALL want it to be. Now, let's talk about how you can continue to walk on that path with us now.


There's another point I want to make today. Just as Dr. King predicted, the rise of black southerners to full citizenship also lifted their white neighbors. "It is history's wry paradox," he said, "that when Negroes win their struggle to be free, those who have held them down will themselves be free for the first time."

After Selma, free white and black southerners crossed the bridge to the new South, leaving hatred and isolation on the far side—building vibrant cities, thriving economies, and great universities, a new South still enriched by the oldtime religion and rhythms and rituals we all love, now open to all things modern and people of all races and faiths from all over the world, a new South in which whites have gained at least as much as blacks from the march to freedom. Without Selma, Atlanta would never have had the Super Bowl or the Olympics. And without Selma, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton would never have been elected President of the United States.
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My fellow Americans, this day has a special meaning for me, for I, too, am a son of the South, the old, segregated South. And those of you who marched 35 years ago set me free, too, on Bloody Sunday, free to know you, to work with you, to love you, to raise my child to celebrate our differences and hallow our common humanity.

I thank you all for what you did here. Thank you, Andy and Jesse and Joe, for the lives you have lived since. Thank you, Coretta, for giving up your beloved husband and the blessings of a normal life. Thank you, Ethel Kennedy, for giving up your beloved husband and the blessings of a normal life.

And thank you, John Lewis, for the beatings you took and the heart you kept wide open. Thank you for walking with the wind, hand in hand with your brothers and sisters, to hold America's trembling house down. Thank you for your vision of the beloved community, an America at peace with itself.

I tell you all, as long as Americans are willing to hold hands, we can walk with any wind; we can cross any bridge. Deep in my heart, I do believe, we shall overcome."

President Bill Clinton, Remarks on the 35th Anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights March in Selma, Alabama
March 5, 2000

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WhoTF is Nina Turner? LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #1
Well, she's not a campaign manager who ensures the candidate is briefed and prepared ehrnst Apr 2019 #5
Their campaign manager job description must be Hortensis Apr 2019 #103
He was active in college, and he endorsed Jessie Jackson for POTUS! ehrnst Apr 2019 #155
And how DARE they not sit quietly while he AGAIN told them his history?! EffieBlack Apr 2019 #158
Apparently, he was "setting the stage for showing them he was on their side" ehrnst Apr 2019 #161
Hey Effie, hi. Just one part of the enormous burden Hortensis Apr 2019 #162
A former Congress Woman True Blue American Apr 2019 #15
Turner bailed on Hillary's 2016 campaign, got on Bernie's payroll oasis Apr 2019 #70
Turner was never in Congress BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #78
Right True Blue American Apr 2019 #153
A Jill stein Groupie... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #39
She's been promised big things from BERNIE, I THINK Dream Girl Apr 2019 #77
She can certainly speak for one Black Woman. nt tonedevil Apr 2019 #95
i think she is horrible. She spewed tons of hatred on Hillary. .... and she still does to this day trueblue2007 Apr 2019 #106
Revolutionaries are trying to invent history dalton99a Apr 2019 #2
Political Hatchet Persons Come in All Shapes and Sizes dlk Apr 2019 #3
i dont think ppl are falling for her rhetoric any more..her anger looks more like whats on the.. samnsara Apr 2019 #4
I wonder if they would gave been booingJoe Bidens comments from CentralMass Apr 2019 #6
'Back in that era'.... last week? ehrnst Apr 2019 #8
This is about comparisons. What were these two people CentralMass Apr 2019 #28
So now you want to avoid the answer to the question I asked because the answer was ehrnst Apr 2019 #54
Yep. You got it. lillypaddle Apr 2019 #63
I thought that I had. However we do all think and process differently. CentralMass Apr 2019 #69
So you believe want you want and hate who you hate. ehrnst Apr 2019 #80
Whataboutism is a bunch if crap. History matters. CentralMass Apr 2019 #87
You deployed whataboutism "But what about JOE?" So clearly you don't think it's a bunch of crap. ehrnst Apr 2019 #92
I see you are trying to somehow tie Sanders to white nationalism or not condemning it CentralMass Apr 2019 #111
Another ugly, ugly strawman? Really? ehrnst Apr 2019 #154
BUT WHAT ABOUT JOE BIDEN IN 1975???? LOOK OVER THERE!!! ehrnst Apr 2019 #160
excellent assessment Skittles Apr 2019 #151
Bernie 1963, Joe 1970 mcar Apr 2019 #61
Joe 1972: Senator. Bernie 1972: "essays" ehrnst Apr 2019 #68
I always wonder why some supporters cannot admit their candidate mcar Apr 2019 #120
Especially because we've seen this conservation a million times: betsuni Apr 2019 #128
2nd B is me mcar Apr 2019 #131
Thank you for sharing this. underthematrix Apr 2019 #97
Not entirely sure you want to go there dsc Apr 2019 #29
If you could, please link an article to the specific on that. CentralMass Apr 2019 #37
No problem dsc Apr 2019 #72
You think that is a postive ? CentralMass Apr 2019 #75
ah no dsc Apr 2019 #79
My apologies. I thought the reply was to me. CentralMass Apr 2019 #83
Attacked even before you read it fully. ehrnst Apr 2019 #163
The problem is radical noodle Apr 2019 #13
It is not back in the era.and Sanders also voted for the crime bill. He didn't answer Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #43
She attacked the audience. She did not help Sanders. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #47
They booed him because he didn't answer the question. Joe would have answered the question, ie would MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #86
Wonder away.. The WOC Booed BS at Cha Apr 2019 #105
And now, our daily dose of Whataboutism... LanternWaste Apr 2019 #173
Oh, please. Sanders got a negative reaction because he didn't answer the question directly. Turner highplainsdem Apr 2019 #7
I'm no fan of Nina Turner PatSeg Apr 2019 #16
You might also be uncomfortable in a historically black church as well. ehrnst Apr 2019 #23
I am not uncomfortable in a black Church. True Blue American Apr 2019 #33
I'm talking about your observation that the audience was "rude" and "disrespectful." ehrnst Apr 2019 #62
Yup. Black audiences are familiar with white men telling them MineralMan Apr 2019 #170
Someone who doesn't think they have anything to learn doesn't listen. ehrnst Apr 2019 #171
Bernie has a story to tell. He thinks it's a great story and that everyone MineralMan Apr 2019 #172
A status quo career politician's sidestep, as it were.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #176
Hmm I though it was great. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #81
The WOC Booed BS at#SheThePeople Cha Apr 2019 #109
He should've been more prepared MustLoveBeagles Apr 2019 #122
"Instead of blaming the hosts and the audience for what happened, his campaign needs to take Cha Apr 2019 #126
I understand that PatSeg Apr 2019 #124
I'm glad they did it.. it was too Cha Apr 2019 #127
I guess I just disagree PatSeg Apr 2019 #138
This is the same woman who addressed a rally/town hall a few weeks ago, referring to.... George II Apr 2019 #9
+1. Evidently that's how revolutionairies talk dalton99a Apr 2019 #12
Last night Cornell West was on Anderson Cooper's show, and he immediately launched.... George II Apr 2019 #17
Gosh, 2016 all over again? Iliyah Apr 2019 #88
When I see BS supporters like Cornell West calling perfectly good Democrats comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #89
Cornel West is a "milqtoast neo-liberal"- Jill Stein voter.. Cha Apr 2019 #116
Cornel West isn't a revolutionary StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #117
Nina should have told Bernie about being truthful NYMinute Apr 2019 #10
Take you own advice and be truthful, Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #11
Just his supporters.... ehrnst Apr 2019 #14
Some supporters thought it was Bernie because of a strong resemblance in the pics. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #21
When did I say that Sanders claimed to be? ehrnst Apr 2019 #30
Bernie was trying to set the stage by citing his history in order to let Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #34
He has been setting the stage since 2015 NYMinute Apr 2019 #41
He didn't 'set the stage' he was on the defensive, and gave it instead of an answer... ehrnst Apr 2019 #44
Well said. MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #90
Why couldn't he answer the question about white supremacy? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #50
Serious question... JHan Apr 2019 #55
I understand that he "annoints Democratic ideas, then presents them to the public." ehrnst Apr 2019 #57
I mean the communication failure here is so damn obvious. JHan Apr 2019 #59
He should have been grateful to She the People for the opportunity, ehrnst Apr 2019 #66
The WOC Booed BS at#SheThePeople Cha Apr 2019 #113
Then why were his surrogates etc. irate when John Lewis TRUTHFULLY said, in reference to... George II Apr 2019 #20
You might try using John Lewis' words TRUTHFULLY, he wasn't referring to just Selma Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #24
Yes, he said "I never saw him, I never met him." in the 1960s. That's what he said, and.... George II Apr 2019 #26
The inference taken was that Bernie didn't participate in the 1960s civil right movements. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #31
And BS likes to "infer" that he was "with" MLK at the 1963 march when, in fact he wasn't.... George II Apr 2019 #35
Not to mention touring Europe during the height of the Vietnam war protests... ehrnst Apr 2019 #38
Bernie doesn't "infer," he states unequivocally that he was there, and who are you to say he wasn't? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #42
"But he endorsed Jessie Jackson!" attempt to derail ehrnst Apr 2019 #45
Your post would make sense if Jesse Jackson didn't believe in civil rights Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #56
And you still continue to try to derail... ehrnst Apr 2019 #64
I never said he wasn't there (in DC), but he certainly among the dignitaries, or.... George II Apr 2019 #65
I was at Capitol Arena with Fleetwood Mac last month. ehrnst Apr 2019 #67
"Simply?" In 1963 segregationist America! Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #71
This all goes back to the OP and Nina Turner bashing the people at the She the People.... George II Apr 2019 #76
He acted like he was doing them a favor, so he could tell them what they should be asking about ehrnst Apr 2019 #99
Charleton Heston and Mitch McConnell were there on the Mall that day "with MLK," too. ehrnst Apr 2019 #98
The inference that Sanders was a civil rights icon is not accurate. ehrnst Apr 2019 #36
I know scores if not hundreds of people who were at the March on Washington StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #119
No person can project their feelings on an event to another person, Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #123
Unfortunately, this bears repeating ... Again EffieBlack Apr 2019 #125
Bernie no sooner got the words out of his mouth before some started heckling him, he was Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #130
That's probably because they'd heard it before ... EffieBlack Apr 2019 #134
Yes that would have taken at least an entire minute or two, short time in Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #137
He never answered the question EffieBlack Apr 2019 #141
He was never given the chance, they cut him off as he was speaking to a televised town hall, Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #142
Did you actually watch it EffieBlack Apr 2019 #143
Bernie wasn't finished speaking and the only person to determine that is the speaker unless Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #146
African American women were asking him what he would do EffieBlack Apr 2019 #148
Now you're just using hyperbole, giving a speaker respect Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #149
So tell us, why didn't any other candidate have this reaction to this audience? ehrnst Apr 2019 #156
Thank You, ehrnst! Cha May 2019 #178
Thank you, Effie. betsuni Apr 2019 #132
This is so well said mcar Apr 2019 #133
It was an OP EffieBlack Apr 2019 #135
Can't say I'm surprised mcar Apr 2019 #139
What they REALLY slammed Lewis for was saying that he did see Bill and Hillary... ehrnst Apr 2019 #32
It was a passion for Hillary and Bill NYMinute Apr 2019 #46
When Bernie was writing 'essays' in VT, Hillary was in Mississippi going door to door ehrnst Apr 2019 #51
+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #101
Exactly. betsuni Apr 2019 #102
Scolding AA women for "disrespecting" BS? mcar Apr 2019 #18
I absolutely detest Nina Turner. She's a big reason why, for me, BS is last on the list. writes3000 Apr 2019 #19
Washington PostAnalysis: Why women of color booed Bernie Sanders at a recent speech Gothmog Apr 2019 #22
What neither of them ever say is that there were 249,999 others "with" MLK at that march... George II Apr 2019 #27
What's Nina Turner the senator of? N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #94
BS just doesn't get it.. Cha Apr 2019 #118
Nina Turner is not a top tier political mind calguy Apr 2019 #25
Her mouth moves way faster than her brain cells. nt NYMinute Apr 2019 #48
I wonder if she would still agree with.. Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #73
I have long viewed her as having the political savvy or a mushroom. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #144
+1. Diamond and Silk are taken dalton99a Apr 2019 #74
Simone Sanders, once his press sec. is now with the Biden campaign. brush Apr 2019 #84
But having a WOC as his campaign manager seems to be handy for giving him cover ehrnst Apr 2019 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #40
Handwriting has been on the wall NYMinute Apr 2019 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Apr 2019 #52
His message is tired and for the 1970's NYMinute Apr 2019 #58
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #53
Oh Nina.. we know you are worried as the polls show your guy losing points in the polls! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #60
He sure didn't think she was useful as a source for what WOC might ask him about ehrnst Apr 2019 #82
Wow. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #85
The world where you're asked about 2020 and you talk about what you did in college in the '60s. betsuni Apr 2019 #91
Charlton Heston marched with MLK Buzz cook Apr 2019 #93
Mitch McConnell was there too. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #96
Heston was a very prominent marcher also. Blue_true Apr 2019 #145
So Nina Turner thought it was a good idea to admonish a crowd full of Black women in Houston Cha Apr 2019 #104
They will never learn. ucrdem Apr 2019 #108
The BS team should have put their energy into figuring out how to win a room full of black women Cha Apr 2019 #110
"Senator Bernie Sanders is consistent" says Nina. ucrdem Apr 2019 #112
lol. That's their Go To. Cha Apr 2019 #114
"... if they stood up with the Reverend": well, he didn't. ucrdem Apr 2019 #107
"In what world when you mention the fact you were at the March on Washington do people boo that?" StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #115
If you paid attention you would Cha Apr 2019 #129
John Lewis/Democratic leaders booed at convention didn't happen/fake news/you're a troll. betsuni Apr 2019 #136
LOL.. There's Video! Cha Apr 2019 #152
I think you may have misread my post StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #140
OMG! I am so Sorry, StarFishSaver! Cha Apr 2019 #150
No worries and no apologies necessary! StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #159
Oh Yes Cha Apr 2019 #167
I feel it was viewed as his... WeekiWater Apr 2019 #121
Yeah. Blue_true Apr 2019 #147
Sanders sending a WOC to smear WOC to a cheering very white crowd is very bad optics. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #157
Nina, "in what world" do Sanders supporters boo John Lewis? Because they did. Hekate Apr 2019 #164
I was there when this happened Gothmog Apr 2019 #175
I know, and I am so not going to forget Hekate Apr 2019 #177
Best response to all this... ehrnst Apr 2019 #165
So, the audience was also establishment? robbedvoter Apr 2019 #166
This was a bad move by turner Gothmog Apr 2019 #168
And her boss. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #169
Here is some good polling Gothmog Apr 2019 #174
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