Democratic Primaries

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42. Other than Bernie

Sat Apr 27, 2019, 06:58 PM

Apr 2019

Who are you referring to? Who was more progressive than Kerry that would have won had we not played it safe? Who was it in Gore’s case?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Which play it safe candidate has gone on to win the GE? [View all] crazytown Apr 2019 OP

How would you define a "play it safe" candidate? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #1

Mainstream establishment crazytown Apr 2019 #2

Sorry, but Dean was NOT the establishment choice. Kerry was. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #4

cf - compared with crazytown Apr 2019 #7

Ok. Gotcha. And I fully agree with your point that the establishment Democratic choice loses. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #20

And what does "mainstream establishment" mean? Career politician? Government employee? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #34

Safe / Establishment a relative terms crazytown Apr 2019 #37

If you look further into the hx of their presidential runs, they didn't win for other reasons Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #3

It's a warning not a prescription crazytown Apr 2019 #5

Most of them lost to incumbents with greater than 50% approval ratings. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #21

Jimmy Carter shenmue Apr 2019 #6

Point taken. crazytown Apr 2019 #8

Thanks shenmue Apr 2019 #29

In addition to other arguments Clarity2 Apr 2019 #9

1983 - Reagan was going to blow up the world. crazytown Apr 2019 #10

We were coming out of a major recession and GDP grew by 4.6% in 83 and 7.2% in 1984. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #13

And Trump is 41% when the economy is at an all time high. crazytown Apr 2019 #19

Exactly. Respectfully, that's why the comparison to Reagan falls apart. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #24

I concede your point. crazytown Apr 2019 #27

Sure, but Biden backers have also dismissed every argument based on Trump being unique marylandblue Apr 2019 #30

"Special attention should be given to VP Mondale." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #11

The Parallels with Mondale are there crazytown Apr 2019 #14

Reagan's approval was at 61% in November of 1984. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #17

Yes I agree crazytown Apr 2019 #25

I think you mean Mario Cuomo. Andrew would have been 27. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #26

Damn you're fast. crazytown Apr 2019 #28

We only have the information we have today marylandblue Apr 2019 #31

It is not my position that only Biden can beat Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #35

Well fair enough, but in that sense, no two elections are alike marylandblue Apr 2019 #36

Confession: I supported Hart. crazytown Apr 2019 #39

I liked Hart too. I hated Mondale. My confession: I voted for Reagan. marylandblue Apr 2019 #43

60% voted Reagan crazytown Apr 2019 #45

True that back to Obama is not as bad as back to Carter, but marylandblue Apr 2019 #46

This crazytown Apr 2019 #47

Depends on definition - OhZone Apr 2019 #12

Hart, Gore (1988) and Dean were not far left crazytown Apr 2019 #16

RFK was before my time, of course - OhZone Apr 2019 #18

Almost by definition, every democracy is a centrist country. marylandblue Apr 2019 #41

" Not Adlai Stevenson..." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #15

FWIW there was a woman dalton99a Apr 2019 #22

It's worth a lot to me. crazytown Apr 2019 #23

This election we are facing a diabolical criminal element the likes of which has never been seen yaesu Apr 2019 #32

In 1983 the concern was the President crazytown Apr 2019 #38

Sure, but that doesn't mean the "safe" candidate is the answer. marylandblue Apr 2019 #40

True...but never saw the folksy warmth that Biden has Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #33

Other than Bernie treestar Apr 2019 #42

Not Bernie nope. crazytown Apr 2019 #44