Democratic Primaries

crazytown

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Sat Apr 27, 2019, 07:32 PM

Apr 2019

I think this is really important to understand, because we need to make sure we don't -- that strategically as a party that we don't come to be viewed as the defenders of a system that is letting people down. And we wouldn't be here if the economic and political system hadn't failed people ...

The system needs to be changed profoundly. I guess that's my point. We can't just nibble around the edges and expect people to be happy with us. Now, I've got a slightly different account than my competitors do about how best to do it, but the fundamental lesson is that our economic and political system has been letting people down I would say for my entire lifetime.

- Pete Buttigieg

An off the cuff answer, saying it better than speech writers. Politicians watched the heartland rust and did little. Pockets of misery disfigure the nation.

It Pete or Elizabeth. The question is, can they get there?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Which play it safe candidate has gone on to win the GE? [View all] crazytown Apr 2019 OP

How would you define a "play it safe" candidate? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #1

Mainstream establishment crazytown Apr 2019 #2

Sorry, but Dean was NOT the establishment choice. Kerry was. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #4

cf - compared with crazytown Apr 2019 #7

Ok. Gotcha. And I fully agree with your point that the establishment Democratic choice loses. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #20

And what does "mainstream establishment" mean? Career politician? Government employee? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #34

Safe / Establishment a relative terms crazytown Apr 2019 #37

If you look further into the hx of their presidential runs, they didn't win for other reasons Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #3

It's a warning not a prescription crazytown Apr 2019 #5

Most of them lost to incumbents with greater than 50% approval ratings. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #21

Jimmy Carter shenmue Apr 2019 #6

Point taken. crazytown Apr 2019 #8

Thanks shenmue Apr 2019 #29

In addition to other arguments Clarity2 Apr 2019 #9

1983 - Reagan was going to blow up the world. crazytown Apr 2019 #10

We were coming out of a major recession and GDP grew by 4.6% in 83 and 7.2% in 1984. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #13

And Trump is 41% when the economy is at an all time high. crazytown Apr 2019 #19

Exactly. Respectfully, that's why the comparison to Reagan falls apart. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #24

I concede your point. crazytown Apr 2019 #27

Sure, but Biden backers have also dismissed every argument based on Trump being unique marylandblue Apr 2019 #30

"Special attention should be given to VP Mondale." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #11

The Parallels with Mondale are there crazytown Apr 2019 #14

Reagan's approval was at 61% in November of 1984. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #17

Yes I agree crazytown Apr 2019 #25

I think you mean Mario Cuomo. Andrew would have been 27. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #26

Damn you're fast. crazytown Apr 2019 #28

We only have the information we have today marylandblue Apr 2019 #31

It is not my position that only Biden can beat Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #35

Well fair enough, but in that sense, no two elections are alike marylandblue Apr 2019 #36

Confession: I supported Hart. crazytown Apr 2019 #39

I liked Hart too. I hated Mondale. My confession: I voted for Reagan. marylandblue Apr 2019 #43

60% voted Reagan crazytown Apr 2019 #45

True that back to Obama is not as bad as back to Carter, but marylandblue Apr 2019 #46

This crazytown Apr 2019 #47

Depends on definition - OhZone Apr 2019 #12

Hart, Gore (1988) and Dean were not far left crazytown Apr 2019 #16

RFK was before my time, of course - OhZone Apr 2019 #18

Almost by definition, every democracy is a centrist country. marylandblue Apr 2019 #41

" Not Adlai Stevenson..." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #15

FWIW there was a woman dalton99a Apr 2019 #22

It's worth a lot to me. crazytown Apr 2019 #23

This election we are facing a diabolical criminal element the likes of which has never been seen yaesu Apr 2019 #32

In 1983 the concern was the President crazytown Apr 2019 #38

Sure, but that doesn't mean the "safe" candidate is the answer. marylandblue Apr 2019 #40

True...but never saw the folksy warmth that Biden has Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #33

Other than Bernie treestar Apr 2019 #42

Not Bernie nope. crazytown Apr 2019 #44