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In reply to the discussion: Nina Turner Blasts Audience From Black Women's Forum for Booing Senator's MLK Comments [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)154. Another ugly, ugly strawman? Really?
Last edited Sun Apr 28, 2019, 10:14 AM - Edit history (4)
Again....
Sanders didn't answer the question about what he would do, as POTUS, about violent white supremacists. Instead he gave a vague answer about everyone being treated equally, and tried to veer off onto Medicare for All. When he was asked again to answer the question that was asked, he threw out MLK's name and that he was at the march defensively, as that was some sort of substitute for an answer. His repeated evasion of the question was booed.
The only person in the race that was involved with the civil rights movement in a positive way in this race doesnt get it
Because he's the only one old enough to have been at the march, no one else in the race has been involved in the civil rights movement in a positive way? That's reaching.....
And what about the optics of sending a WOC out to falsely smear other WOC to a cheering mostly white, crowd as a campaign tactic? What does that say about the candidate in 2019?
The question was not about his history in the civil rights movement. It was about what he would do as POTUS concerning violent white supremacists. You are doing what he did - trying to deny what the actual question was, and trying to blame the audience for calling him out for it. What was clueless was thinking that he could substitute listening to them and answering their question when confronted on his non-answer with simply saying "MLK march!"
About that arrest...
His comments at this event make it appear that he thinks what he did in College in the early 60's excuses him from focusing on what can be done to address violent white supremacists.
He couldn't even come up with this basic, no brainer: I will restore the Homeland Security Domestic Terrorism Unit that Trump has disbanded. No amount of activism 50+ years ago in college will excuse that.
BTW - Charleston Heston and Mitch McConnell were both also at the MLK march.
When Barack Obama was invited to a candidate's forum on health care reform in 2008, he declined, because he felt that he didn't have a comprehensive enough plan developed. Understanding that one isn't an expert on everything is a vital characteristic in a leader.
It seemed he was unprepared, so he did the status quo politician sidestep to his comfortable talking points, and these women weren't buying it. That's what they were booing. If you think an audience of WOC were booing the fact that someone was at the MLK march, and being one of the few in the race old enough to have done so, you are the one who is truly 'doesn't get it."
Well what you do in the moments like that matter snd define you.
Bernie thinking that he can send out a WOC to smear a group of WOC to cheering, very white crowd, is breathtakingly bad strategy, and worse optics. You and I both know if Bernie had said what Nina Turner it would have been called racially tone-deaf, at best. That decision to send Nina out to attack these women will be characterized as making a bad situation worse for the rest of his campaign. That matters and may define his campaign.
He thought sending a WOC to harrange them would convince people that it wasn't him being disrespectful, it was them who were attacking his civil rights record. If that's true, why didn't that same audience react that way to any of the other candidates?
No one defending Sanders on this thread has had the courage to answer that.
Bernie is showing the status quo male privilege refusing to admit that he made a mistake.
And yes, WHAT ABOUT JOE BIDEN FIFTY YEARS AGO??? in response to a criticism of Bernie Sanders and his campaign manager said this week is a spectacular example of whataboutism. You can stonewall and say it's not, but that doesn't change what several people here observed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Nina Turner Blasts Audience From Black Women's Forum for Booing Senator's MLK Comments [View all]
ehrnst
Apr 2019
OP
Well, she's not a campaign manager who ensures the candidate is briefed and prepared
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#5
i think she is horrible. She spewed tons of hatred on Hillary. .... and she still does to this day
trueblue2007
Apr 2019
#106
i dont think ppl are falling for her rhetoric any more..her anger looks more like whats on the..
samnsara
Apr 2019
#4
So now you want to avoid the answer to the question I asked because the answer was
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#54
You deployed whataboutism "But what about JOE?" So clearly you don't think it's a bunch of crap.
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#92
I see you are trying to somehow tie Sanders to white nationalism or not condemning it
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#111
It is not back in the era.and Sanders also voted for the crime bill. He didn't answer
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#43
They booed him because he didn't answer the question. Joe would have answered the question, ie would
MaryMagdaline
Apr 2019
#86
Oh, please. Sanders got a negative reaction because he didn't answer the question directly. Turner
highplainsdem
Apr 2019
#7
I'm talking about your observation that the audience was "rude" and "disrespectful."
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#62
"Instead of blaming the hosts and the audience for what happened, his campaign needs to take
Cha
Apr 2019
#126
This is the same woman who addressed a rally/town hall a few weeks ago, referring to....
George II
Apr 2019
#9
Last night Cornell West was on Anderson Cooper's show, and he immediately launched....
George II
Apr 2019
#17
When I see BS supporters like Cornell West calling perfectly good Democrats
comradebillyboy
Apr 2019
#89
Some supporters thought it was Bernie because of a strong resemblance in the pics.
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#21
He didn't 'set the stage' he was on the defensive, and gave it instead of an answer...
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#44
I understand that he "annoints Democratic ideas, then presents them to the public."
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#57
Then why were his surrogates etc. irate when John Lewis TRUTHFULLY said, in reference to...
George II
Apr 2019
#20
You might try using John Lewis' words TRUTHFULLY, he wasn't referring to just Selma
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#24
Yes, he said "I never saw him, I never met him." in the 1960s. That's what he said, and....
George II
Apr 2019
#26
The inference taken was that Bernie didn't participate in the 1960s civil right movements.
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#31
And BS likes to "infer" that he was "with" MLK at the 1963 march when, in fact he wasn't....
George II
Apr 2019
#35
Bernie doesn't "infer," he states unequivocally that he was there, and who are you to say he wasn't?
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#42
I never said he wasn't there (in DC), but he certainly among the dignitaries, or....
George II
Apr 2019
#65
This all goes back to the OP and Nina Turner bashing the people at the She the People....
George II
Apr 2019
#76
He acted like he was doing them a favor, so he could tell them what they should be asking about
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#99
Charleton Heston and Mitch McConnell were there on the Mall that day "with MLK," too.
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#98
I know scores if not hundreds of people who were at the March on Washington
StarfishSaver
Apr 2019
#119
Bernie no sooner got the words out of his mouth before some started heckling him, he was
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#130
He was never given the chance, they cut him off as he was speaking to a televised town hall,
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#142
Bernie wasn't finished speaking and the only person to determine that is the speaker unless
Uncle Joe
Apr 2019
#146
So tell us, why didn't any other candidate have this reaction to this audience?
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#156
What they REALLY slammed Lewis for was saying that he did see Bill and Hillary...
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#32
When Bernie was writing 'essays' in VT, Hillary was in Mississippi going door to door
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#51
I absolutely detest Nina Turner. She's a big reason why, for me, BS is last on the list.
writes3000
Apr 2019
#19
Washington PostAnalysis: Why women of color booed Bernie Sanders at a recent speech
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#22
What neither of them ever say is that there were 249,999 others "with" MLK at that march...
George II
Apr 2019
#27
But having a WOC as his campaign manager seems to be handy for giving him cover
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#100
Oh Nina.. we know you are worried as the polls show your guy losing points in the polls!
Thekaspervote
Apr 2019
#60
He sure didn't think she was useful as a source for what WOC might ask him about
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#82
The world where you're asked about 2020 and you talk about what you did in college in the '60s.
betsuni
Apr 2019
#91
So Nina Turner thought it was a good idea to admonish a crowd full of Black women in Houston
Cha
Apr 2019
#104
The BS team should have put their energy into figuring out how to win a room full of black women
Cha
Apr 2019
#110
"In what world when you mention the fact you were at the March on Washington do people boo that?"
StarfishSaver
Apr 2019
#115
John Lewis/Democratic leaders booed at convention didn't happen/fake news/you're a troll.
betsuni
Apr 2019
#136