Democratic Primaries

Uncle Joe

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34. As much as you would love to personalize this, I see nothing on your link

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 01:19 PM

Apr 2019

about "Hillary hate" so much as a sober ideological analysis and from the OP which I posted.

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I don’t think so. Between 2009 and 2012, I worked for both Shakir and Tanden at the Center for American Progress. Shakir was the editor-in-chief of ThinkProgress at the time and we both worked under Tanden.

Shakir and Tanden frequently clashed during my time there, but not a single one of their disputes was about anything personal. Instead, they argued about the role of money in politics.

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It may sound like I am portraying Tanden, Biden and the Democratic establishment as corrupt and immoral – willing to sell policy and political communications to the highest bidder with no regard for the public interest.

But social psychology research tells us that people who have different ideas about politics than us are not generally bad people – they’re mostly good people with different convictions. In the eyes of the Democratic establishment, courting big dollars is the only way to stay politically competitive – and besides, corporations and wealthy individuals are major stakeholders in society, so why shouldn’t they get a major say over policy?

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/28/bernie-sanders-v-the-democratic-establishment-what-the-battle-is-really-about

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Bernie Sanders v the Democratic establishment: what the battle is really about [View all] Uncle Joe Apr 2019 OP

We need to focus on beating Trump. J_William_Ryan Apr 2019 #1

That's precisely what the primaries are about, Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #9

Yes, but where exactly does BS's money come from? lapucelle Apr 2019 #25

About those sources in that article CentralMass Apr 2019 #41

So there is a super pac involved and that super pac is against strengthening the ACA. lapucelle Apr 2019 #49

Its publc information. From the polls that I've read Medicare for all is as or more popular CentralMass Apr 2019 #80

NottaDem disses actual Democrats again. What a surprise. we can do it Apr 2019 #2

Bernie Sanders' three homes, from left to right ucrdem Apr 2019 #3

Of course I may be wrong but I believe you're intelligent enough to make a distinction between Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #7

Can you give an example of where a Democrat expressed or demonstrated such an intention? ucrdem Apr 2019 #8

First of all watoos Apr 2019 #31

What is your point in posting this?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #101

Bernie Sanders is part of the Democratic establishment ? stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #4

No. Jut the DC political establishment. Not Democratic tho. robbedvoter Apr 2019 #77

The "battle" is about whether or not Bernie is a team player. Laelth Apr 2019 #5

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Apr 2019 #10

He got the DNC to change, didn't he? watoos Apr 2019 #32

I don't deny that. That was a positive change, I think. n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #65

Bernie was the first to sign the pledge, the last time I checked Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #68

I suspect that is true. Laelth Apr 2019 #93

I believe that Bernie believes in Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #94

Oh no kidding.. he sees himself as a one man show..not good!! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #70

Bingo. Hence, dumping on audiences, CAP, PP, HRC and requesting "credit" robbedvoter Apr 2019 #78

Bernie's been a career politician for most of his adult life. Maybe he's not a Democrat The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6

Establishment dem here Politicub Apr 2019 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #12

The battle resides in the minds of Sanders supporters only NYMinute Apr 2019 #13

Exactly this. nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #14

Big money influencing politics and policies is only a "conspiracy theory?" Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #16

But it is OK for Sanders? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23

Open Our Revolution's books NYMinute Apr 2019 #56

The Sanders camp argument basically boils down to Blue_true Apr 2019 #100

Zaid Jilani who wrote this peace BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #15

Jilani is still churning out Hillary hate for The American Conservative. lapucelle Apr 2019 #24

Zaid Jilani? Doesn't he write for The American Conservative? lapucelle Apr 2019 #17

Zaid Jilani has written for publications across the spectrum Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #26

Have Jilani's Hillary hate pieces been confined to The American Conservative? lapucelle Apr 2019 #29

As much as you would love to personalize this, I see nothing on your link Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #34

Really? lapucelle Apr 2019 #51

I read the article but I didn't see anything in there about "Hillary Hate." Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #53

The ideology is decidedly conservative and armchair psychology is hardly most reader's lapucelle Apr 2019 #60

It would've been nice to have at least included the entire paragraph instead of chopping it off. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #62

Few Democrats will ever forget what those attendees did at the convention lapucelle Apr 2019 #73

You can bet John Lewis remembers. GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #81

Stacey Abrams remembers as well. N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #84

And he's on staff at Greenwald's Intercept fish wrap...nt SidDithers Apr 2019 #28

Ahh...that explains a lot. N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #30

Lol grantcart Apr 2019 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author crazytown Apr 2019 #19

Barney Frank said it best: LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #20

+1 for Barney Frank. n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #91

To me, this time around is going to be less about Bernie vs. The Establishment.... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #21

If he's so upset with the way the Democratic Party is and operates, why doesn't he.... George II Apr 2019 #22

He already made the DNC better, watoos Apr 2019 #33

No he hasn't. People like to believe that but it's simply not true. George II Apr 2019 #35

Actually he has. Some people deny it but they are not being truthful. rgbecker Apr 2019 #45

George, it appears that you might be "just trying to influence the American election". lapucelle Apr 2019 #76

No he hasn't; at best, he's weakened our ability to choose a strong candidate LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #37

There you admitted it, watoos Apr 2019 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #59

It's got nothing to do with superdelegates. Why bring that into this discussion? George II Apr 2019 #79

Explain to me what it means watoos Apr 2019 #87

I totally agree watoos. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #38

Because he's proud of not being a Democrat LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #36

That's only one of many similar comments of his. George II Apr 2019 #40

The DNC accepted Sanders because he has good ideas and to keep him from running as an Independent. rgbecker Apr 2019 #47

I couldn't agree more rgbecker. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #64

... SidDithers Apr 2019 #27

Bernie Sanders is the ultimate "Establishment" figure EffieBlack Apr 2019 #39

By pledging to run as a Democrat, he forfeits any claim of integrity LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #42

Running as a Democrat just reinforces Bernie's realism Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #43

No, it's called lying to get what you want LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #44

What precisely do you mean lying about? Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #46

He has said, time and again, over and over, that he is not a Democrat, doesn't want to be LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #48

That takes us back to my post #43 Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #50

And if it was a genuine change of heart, would he have switched back to I-VT in 2016? KitSileya Apr 2019 #54

Yeah, he registered to run again as an independent in Vermont, just before he signed the DNC pledge. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #67

If Bernie wins the nomination and G.E. he will govern as a Democratic President. Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #72

Generally speaking, no. Laelth Apr 2019 #85

Bernie is speaking of the issues and policies which he and I believe are Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #89

I don't deny that. n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #90

When Bernie does it, it's "realism" EffieBlack Apr 2019 #52

It is realism, when was the last time a third party candidate won the Presidency? n/t Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #55

Let's face it Bernie is a Democrat of convenience NYMinute Apr 2019 #58

This is a slippery slope to throwing our hands up and it becoming 2016 again. YOHABLO Apr 2019 #61

No one does, most of all Bernie, he was the first to sign the pledge, to my knowledge Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #63

I remember back when Ned Lamont watoos Apr 2019 #66

Some Democrats want the Democratic party to address the concerns of this century Fresh_Start Apr 2019 #71

Hmm, warren is one of my picks watoos Apr 2019 #88

if you are dead, in fear of your life, in prison, or abused... Fresh_Start Apr 2019 #92

If Bernie has that weakness, he really should entirely bow out of politics. Fresh_Start Apr 2019 #69

The statement is an implicit interpretation by the author based on Bernie's long held Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #74

Where exactly is the money coming from? N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #83

his real opponent is the Democratic party robbedvoter Apr 2019 #75

Help help I'm being repressed. nycbos Apr 2019 #82

Ahem. Laelth Apr 2019 #86

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses nycbos Apr 2019 #96

The s-word, socialism, plenty is about that. Interesting points: appalachiablue Apr 2019 #95

I believe the article absolutely nails it Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #97

Thank you Uncle Joe. You are an inspiration. You can take it and you can dish it out. rgbecker Apr 2019 #98

... Uncle Joe Apr 2019 #99