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120. I agree that the 2005 changes to bankruptcy hit poor people the hardest

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Sun Apr 28, 2019, 04:51 PM

Apr 2019

Why weren't these laws re-examined with the banking reform bills in 2008?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why Warren is calling out Biden [View all] crazytown Apr 2019 OP

all good points. But we only have one question: who is more likely to beat trump? AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #1

There are lots of arguments in favor of Biden as a candidates crazytown Apr 2019 #3

You're right on the money crazy... we just can't take a chance on status quo...Joe is not the InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #26

You know I don't think Bernie is the right candidate either crazytown Apr 2019 #33

That's ok crazy...I respect your opinion on Bernie... glad we share an appreciation for Eliazabeth. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #39

Agreed loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #131

Yeah. crazytown Apr 2019 #135

Biden will be the candidate in my opinion. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #43

If that's the case, so be it!! We can debate that, but, the voters will have the final say!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #47

Very true. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #55

Agree. nt gateley Apr 2019 #59

It's not about who you could live with. It's about who most of the country could live with. ancianita Apr 2019 #88

That's fine... I'm willing to re-examine ALL of our Democratic candidates. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #90

Will be very hard for Trump to use this TheFarseer Apr 2019 #70

who is more likely is unknowable and dynamic. think Howard Dean. get behind your candidate Kurt V. Apr 2019 #4

I could get excited by Elizabeth's progressive policies... Joe's status quo normalcy, not so much!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #27

We don't have a clue at this point. We won't know who can beat Trump until the election. Autumn Apr 2019 #10

Exactly. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #14

Why should we assume that Biden, with all his baggage, will be a stronger candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #12

We absolutely should NOT make that assumption!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #29

Three rustbelt states will deny Trump the presidency ...Biden can win those states. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #52

I'm not sure Biden would be TheFarseer Apr 2019 #73

I don't think Biden supporters are able to see how his past can hurt him. marylandblue Apr 2019 #86

Couldn't agree more. Nt TheFarseer Apr 2019 #87

The heartland turned to rust before their eyes crazytown Apr 2019 #89

Well if Biden doesn't get the nomination...Four more years of Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #114

Yeah, you keep saying that, but I don't believe it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #123

You all want what you want, but it is simple really. There are three states that can stop Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #128

"Simple reality" is you are not God to declare what reality is. marylandblue Apr 2019 #129

I said really not reality. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #137

Sorry, I misread it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #144

No problem . I gave you my rational. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #146

Well, your rationale seems to be that he can win those three states, and nobody else can. marylandblue Apr 2019 #147

No ...Ryan might. The rest of our very talented candidates will not for a number of Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #149

MF45 didn't win the rustbelt loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #139

Maybe or maybe he weaopnized the electoral college. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #153

No he would be effective. He has an 85% rating from AFL-CIO. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #113

It boils down to the swing states Dotard managed to barely win treestar Apr 2019 #104

Exactly. And I dont think she can. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #115

What is Biden doing to overcome voter suppression in those states? And Russian interference? pnwmom Apr 2019 #107

Elections are state matters. You know that. But the three states have Democratic Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #116

And that means that Biden's chances might not be greater than ANY other Democrat's. pnwmom Apr 2019 #121

The OP posted the details of a discussion that must happen in debates. Blue_true Apr 2019 #13

So true Blue true...let the voters decide, then vote blue, no matter who!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #30

I would prefer to discuss more recent issues...buy whatever. I would Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #117

No it doesn't mean that. You still need a candidate who can win the state, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #154

The primary needs to be about issues. mjvpi Apr 2019 #22

Right on!! The Bankruptcy bill was an utter disaster!! Elizabeth is dynamite on this issue InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #31

No they won't. A laundry list of policy won't stop Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #53

Thank you. I see BIG problems coming a year from now if this continues. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #77

Of course a laundry list of policy by itself won't win. marylandblue Apr 2019 #82

Biden has a message. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #118

It would help if someone could tell me what it is, because I've been asking for days, and marylandblue Apr 2019 #122

Tune in on Monday...we don't need a laundry list... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #130

I didn't ask for a laundry list, and I don't care what he did 20 years ago. marylandblue Apr 2019 #133

I posted an OP where he discusses some of his views. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #136

First and foremost, its about who can beat trump. The rest doesnt matter if you cant do THAT. nt oldsoftie Apr 2019 #75

Beat Trump? not Biden who sacrificed us economically delisen Apr 2019 #34

Well, current polls show him having a good lead over trump. Better than the rest of the field. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #76

....and Russia is just gearing up. delisen Apr 2019 #78

They're at a disadvantage now; we all know about them. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #93

Russia not at a disadvantage. Still active; delisen Apr 2019 #98

Where is this "trump may not be the candidate" stuff coming from? I've seen it a few times today. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #148

Weld already declared; Kasich may be gearing up delisen Apr 2019 #157

They may be tiring of him, but Weld & Kasich will go nowhere trying to defeat trump. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #159

I think hiding Republican connections to Russia delisen Apr 2019 #160

Hilary had a much more unbeatable lead over Obama at this point in 2008. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #111

And i said its still very early. But you can only go by whats happening right now. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #145

Such drama. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #119

It's hard enough to make the case that only Joe Biden is likely KPN Apr 2019 #132

Simple: Biden's way ahead of her. Welcome to the 2020 race. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #2

And the Republicans are going to take up her criticisms. crazytown Apr 2019 #6

The GOP cant say a word about student debt; they've done nothing to help with it. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #23

Republicans will say anything crazytown Apr 2019 #24

Biden worked closely with Republicans in indebting us delisen Apr 2019 #44

If you blame Biden for something as VP, then you've gotta also blame Obama, who was his boss. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #74

This is all about when he was in the Senate. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #112

Not according to the post i was responding to: oldsoftie Apr 2019 #143

It is a matter of analyzing facts not blaming anyone delisen Apr 2019 #161

LEGIT criticisms BTW... Elizabeth is dead on when it comes to the issue of bankruptcy. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #32

We should not let Republicans silence our discussion delisen Apr 2019 #99

Warren isn't going to damage Biden. she is focusing on issues JI7 Apr 2019 #5

She will attack the Bankruptcy Act full bore IMO. crazytown Apr 2019 #7

so what ? JI7 Apr 2019 #8

Graduates, Biden handcuffed you to debt. crazytown Apr 2019 #9

Republicans all voted with the banks. blm Apr 2019 #11

And Biden will get a chance to respond back. If he can't do that effectively, should we nominate Blue_true Apr 2019 #15

Understandable - but she needs more than that. gateley Apr 2019 #65

True dat... Elizabeth will just point out where Joe is wrong on this and many other issues. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #35

+1. It is a valid and important issue affecting millions dalton99a Apr 2019 #36

She will try to make him seem out of touch and a creature of Wall Street. marylandblue Apr 2019 #37

Bankruptcy act affected people claiming multiple bankruptcies BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #16

that is a bald faced lie dsc Apr 2019 #28

Elizabeth nailed it on bankruptcy law...she's who we should be listening to when it comes that issue InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #41

Actually you can discharge student loans....prove undue hardship. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #126

Of the 72,000 student loans in Bankruptcy proceedings crazytown Apr 2019 #151

Those stats are 10 years old. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #155

She's speaking truth backtoblue Apr 2019 #17

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #42

Her right. She's a brilliant defender for sure. Not sure Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #18

Excellent points. zentrum Apr 2019 #19

It's not coronation time just yet Boomer Apr 2019 #20

Thank you. This is NOT a normal time. Anything can happen, including the re-election Nay Apr 2019 #38

Democratic Senators who voted for the 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act Celerity Apr 2019 #21

Wonder why Brownback voted against it? TheFarseer Apr 2019 #85

Desperation move? MineralMan Apr 2019 #25

Elizabeth "doing the Republican's oppo work"?! You can't be serious MM!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #45

Bankruptcy is her specialty and a good part of her life's work crazytown Apr 2019 #48

She's been vocal on this issue for years, in books, articles, and op-eds. Demit Apr 2019 #51

We need to protect ourselves against delisen Apr 2019 #67

I don't think we'll be seeing a Biden/Warren ticket. ucrdem Apr 2019 #40

Or Biden/Beto dalton99a Apr 2019 #50

Well, his chances will be better if he doesn't go nuclear on Biden ucrdem Apr 2019 #54

He never blamed Biden dalton99a Apr 2019 #56

In that case he'd make a good veep who could speak honestly to the issue when it arises. ucrdem Apr 2019 #62

the bankruptcy discharge issue is distinct treestar Apr 2019 #81

Good aeromanKC Apr 2019 #64

For better or for worse ... Laelth Apr 2019 #46

In another Warren vs Biden thread you posted earlier, also criticizing Biden -- an OP you deleted highplainsdem Apr 2019 #49

Well said. nt gateley Apr 2019 #58

I deleted that OP because a number of people found it distressing crazytown Apr 2019 #60

Okay. Understandable, and thanks for explaining. I found the deletion frustrating because I'd highplainsdem Apr 2019 #66

I have reposted screenshots of the discussion crazytown Apr 2019 #68

Just saw that. Wow. Thank you! I didn't mean for you to have to go to that much trouble. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #71

The medical device tax issue is very interesting. ucrdem Apr 2019 #63

I have reposted screenshots of the discussion crazytown Apr 2019 #69

Thank you. I think it's an important addendum to the discussion. ucrdem Apr 2019 #72

Who could get elected Senator who didn't? treestar Apr 2019 #83

Elizabeth might be a politician like everyone else... but, at least she puts InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #96

Wow that makes it very hypocritical treestar Apr 2019 #105

I HATE that Joe supported the Bankruptcy Act -- gateley Apr 2019 #57

Hence her proposal to retire student debt crazytown Apr 2019 #79

No you still can try to make out a case of hardship treestar Apr 2019 #84

It's a catch 22 crazytown Apr 2019 #94

That is not an issue in Bankruptcy court treestar Apr 2019 #95

Yes. Not illness. Not unemployment. Not being divorced. crazytown Apr 2019 #97

I fully support Elizabeth in that effort... everyone should!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91

Me too... that & the Iraq War vote. The rationale of the credit card companies' presence in Delaware InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #92

But Bernie voted for military intervention in Iraq. Twice. ehrnst Apr 2019 #110

BS voted in favor of military intervention in Iraq? N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #138

Twice in 1998. Go figure. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #158

it's over? Skittles Apr 2019 #134

Joe still more qualified. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #61

Sorry, tell us why you should be POTUS treestar Apr 2019 #80

Because they are champions for women and working families crazytown Apr 2019 #100

not 'serving credit card companies and big banks' treestar Apr 2019 #101

From the same article crazytown Apr 2019 #102

So what is wrong with that? treestar Apr 2019 #103

Look, Senator Biden represented the interests of his constituents, crazytown Apr 2019 #106

We also can't discharge medical debt through bankruptcy because of the Biden law. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #108

I am not sure that is a result of the 2005 Act crazytown Apr 2019 #109

It is not true... all debts except taxes can be discharged...even student loans Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #141

That is untrue. My sister had a medical bankruptcy. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #124

BUT... If you ever come OUT of that hardship... Beartracks Apr 2019 #156

I don't know about that...once discharged it's gone is my understanding Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #163

I agree that the 2005 changes to bankruptcy hit poor people the hardest Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #120

That is untrue also. Poor people easily qualify. The higher your income the more difficult Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #125

I thought that people came under stricter scrutiny of their debt vs their assets Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #127

Poor people don't have huge assets if any and it also inludes living expenses ,income Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #140

Student Loans - what's wrong with this analysis crazytown Apr 2019 #142

I know how it works and it can be done my niece did it. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #150

See 151 crazytown Apr 2019 #152

The WaPo opinion writer links to Daily Caller and The National Review lapucelle Apr 2019 #162